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British military No.3 revealed

Discussion in 'Military' started by presscall, Mar 3, 2010.

  1. presscall

    presscall United Kingdom Subscriber

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    I'd been noble and passed up the chance of an ebay 'buy it now' with pick-up a short drive away on the Wirral. It didn't sell and was relisted and I couldn't resist putting in a modest bid, somewhat less than the BIN. It proved to be the winning bid, so I was soon headed with my £18 through the Kingsway tunnel out of Liverpool.

    Before it got to a tea test ...

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    ... I stripped the stove down, so took pictures as I did

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    The heatshield with the spares box lid open

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    In stainless steel, the heatshield was well made

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    Spares box with the tools (spares except the jet nipples were removed for this shot)

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    It was apparent that a former owner had decided to strip the olive drab paint from the heatshield and had missed a bit here and there

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    The burner bells and riser tubes were different in minor detail ...

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    ... as were the burner plates (2 users + 2 spares)

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    One of the jet nipples had a hole distinctly off-centre (won't be using that then)

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    The pump though is a classy piece of work

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    Here, I've compared the pump's NRV with a Primus one. The mil stove's NRV is beefier

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    All assembled, I brewed up and fried an egg, taking a sledge hammer to crack a nut I suppose

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    ... MORE TO FOLLOW

    John
     
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  2. rik_uk3 United Kingdom

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    John, I've got some new NRV's if you are in need, drop me your address.
     
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    presscall United Kingdom Subscriber

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    Few more detail pics from the strip-down. The filler cap and pressure release valve

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    One of the fuel valve/control wheel assemblies

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    The long rod with the conical tip shuts off the gas at the burner end. It's not a very positive shut-off in the sense of quick and the burner runs for a few minutes after shut-down

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    The filler funnel, which clips onto the back panel of the stove case when not in use

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    Powerful roarer burners

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    Stencilled ID ... meaning the stove is a tank or belongs in one?

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    All that space under the hood, so I crammed a number of smaller stoves in there just to see how many would fit

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    John
     
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  4. idahostoveguy

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    Very beautiful John. That is a very nice specimen.

    Thanks for the nice photos!

    sam
     
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    Thanks Sam. It was your brilliant report on that excellent No.3 you have that persuaded me to get this one.

    I forgot to include this in my write-up, a reminiscence about the No.3 stove by an A.T.S. (Auxiliary Territorial Service) cook/clerk/ack-ack (flak) plotter from WW2:-

    "One day I was told to attend a demonstration of the No 3 Petrol Cooker. The Battery Commander (a Major) the Senior A.T.S. Officer (equivalent to a Captain) myself and the Sergeant Cook stood around and listened to the “spiel” given by an A.C.C. (Army Catering Corps) W.O. Class II (Company Sergeant Major). It had been developed, he told us, from the 8th Army’s habit in North Africa of filling a biscuit tin with sand (of which there was plenty!) throwing on some petrol, igniting it and putting water to heat on top. He was not a large man, but was full of his own importance – cocky, actually. He pumped up the cooker, lit it and WHOOSH an almighty explosion. With caution he made a couple of quick adjustments – to no avail. The smoke rose high above us as we moved back and gradually the solder melted and the No 3 Petrol cooker fell apart. We dusted off – nonchalantly – partly to disguise our amusement and partly to spare the CSM’s embarrassment."

    (www.atsremembered.org.uk)

    John
     
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    Laughing out loud ... Brilliant .

    Nick
     
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    That was quite funny! Loved it. I've heard and experienced that WHOOSH before! :oops: :oops:

    Thank you John!

    sam
     
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    John,
    Interesting that the fuel tank is copper, not brass. same as on my no 2

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    Yes indeed, Chris. I'm aware that some No.2 (Mk.I) tanks are of copper too.

    Since brass is an alloy of copper I can't believe that it was due to wartime demands for brass for shell cases. Steel would have been the obvious alternative to cope with that, just as Coleman used steel instead of brass for fonts to make Speedmaster 500 stove fonts at that time:-

    http://classiccampstoves.com/posts/125833

    Maybe it was down to variable availability of brass and copper sheet and the manufacturer used whatever came off the storage rack for a particular batch of tanks?

    John
     
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    Nice one John - Glad someone on here got that No3 .... was a bit too far for me to collect . I got one posted instead .
     
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    Hi John,

    Thanks for showing the pressure release valve in the filler cap. I just noticed that and remembered that my No. 3 has a pressure release separated from the cap and has a tube that points downward. Was the filler cap design earlier or later? Just wondering.

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    I'm guessing yours is the earlier stove, Sam, only because the same type of cap with 'wings' (but on a smaller tank with no pressure release valve) and having a steel heatshield lined with asbestos adorned an Army No.2 stove I owned - now accompanying Alan (Cypryphrenia) on his fishing expeditions.

    My reasoning is that Alan's stove without a pressure release preceded the stoves with one, which seems like a natural progression to me. Just a theory, mind!


    Looks like a good 'un Andy!

    John
     
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    Hi
    i have the number 2 cooker as well. can you tell me if behind the cap on the pump handle should be a seal or not ? and at the end of the Pump Unit (when you remove it from the tank) there is a meatl cap, should there be a seal and anything else in there ? as i cant get any pressure in the tank.
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    @Mark Nash
    Welcome to CCS.

    I'm not sure what you mean. Maybe take a photo and use a pencil to point to the component you refer to as the 'metal cap'?

    By "not getting pressure" I wonder if you mean
    (a) that the pump doesn't generate pressure on a pump stroke (due to a missing or dry leather pump cup washer - oil it if dry)

    OR

    (b) that the fuel tank won't hold pressure, which could be due to a hard/brittle:- filler cap washer, non-return valve seal or pump tube to fuel tank seal - or a combination of those.

    John
     
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    Leather cup is there (got new ones)
    as i said where the cap is (Pic) is no seal, should there be ?
    2nd pic is the end of the pump, should there be anything else other than this metal cap ?

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    1st pic, the component's complete. There's no seal goes in there but the boss mounted on the tank that it screws onto has a seal between it and the fuel tank.

    2nd pic shows the end of the pump tube and the non-return valve, which screws onto the threads on that end of the pump tube.

    There should be a spring and a small nitrile seal 'pip' in a brass holder mounted on the spring inside the non-return valve barrel.

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    then that could be the reason why i cant get know pressure ?
    where can i get these from ?
    can u tell me if this belongs anywhere ? (pic) Anhang 2(1).jpg
     
  18. Mark Nash Germany

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    is that ventil similar to the filling cap ventil ?
     
  19. Mark Nash Germany

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    this is in Fettlebox.uk but it does not come with the ventil does it ? britmil2_003.jpg
     
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    You say you're missing the interior components of the valve? Fettlebox sell them but I've just looked and they're out of stock (@Spiritburner). Ross?

    I don't recognise the component you pictured.

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    The pump non-return valve contains similar components to the safety pressure release valve in the fuel cap but the seal 'pip' holder has that extension to it.

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