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Dads old campstove

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  1. haknuts

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    In his youth, my dad was an eager camper. As we children came about, I recall numerous trips from Nothern Norway to the area around the Easter-sea. I guess I did not pay much attention to how dinner was made, but at this time this old kerosene stove already was put aside,as two large propane stoves dominated the cooking area.
    At one time I suspect someone has made use of the legs/kettlestand to fettle somehing else. Im wondering if I should go to the trouble to search for new legs&potstands, but how woukd you guys go about such a fettle?

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  2. Jeopardy

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    Hi haknuts,
    First thing would be to find out if it should have fixed legs or removable ones. Is there a model number on the fount? This would give you something to cross reference when you look in the stove reference gallery etc on this site. It's arranged by country first then manufacturer so I believe you need to start in th Norwegian sections for Horvik Verk. Then it's a matter of getting the bits. I'm fairly sure that Stu (loco7stove) on this site can sort something out for you. He has helped me out with spare legs and specialist tools before now. The fettling masterclass section is a good place to start once you are ready to attach the legs.
    Best regards and good luck,
    John
     
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    I visited my parents last weekend and spotted the missing (fixed) legs. Will stay with my parents for Christmas and may find time to fettle the stove there.
    I have never soldered metal structures like this, and so I have to ask if anyone have tried to use chemical metal compound for such purposes?
     
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    There are several soldering tutorials on this site. Use the search feature and read through some of them. You will be much happier with a properly repaired stove.
     
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    Thanks Kerophile! Great fettle-report. However, I still may want to try out the metal compound-lurium,as I suspect there is a reason why those legs detached in the first place. Ill give it some more thought and maybe get me a prophane blow-torch. Could always use it if I later fettle together some Crème brûlée's, although that is normally handeled by another department.
     
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    Hi @haknuts. Solder was favoured for attaching legs and other components to the tanks of classic brass stoves. The joints produced are very strong and are unlikey to fail except in extreme conditions (the stove and surrounding area on fire) or deliberate dis-assembly by someone with a blow-lamp or big hammer.
    Metal-filled or similar two-part resins will allow re-attachment of the stove legs. However most of these resins are epoxy-based and do not like too much heat. They are probably OK for normal operation but in an accident situation will fail and allow collapse of the stove long before a soldered stove would.

    Best Regards,
    Kerophile.
     
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    Hi, looking at the threads on the two Hovik Verk Primus stoves I restored I recall that both stoves, one arrived from France, the other later from Norway, came to me legless!
    We now have @haknuts with another legless Hovik Verk Primus!
    This cannot be chance. These are rare stoves and to see three stoves all having "lost" their legs suggests a systematic cause.
    Were these stoves made with poorly-fitted legs? Did owners get an irresistible urge to remove them?
    Best Regards,
    Kerophile.
     
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    @kerophile I agree it's unlikely to be by chance. Was there perhaps a sea swing kind of contraption, or a stove enclosure, or ??? in the early 1900s that required the legs to be removed?

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    Hi Arch, @ArchMc . The Sea swing never caught on in Europe as far as I can tell.

    Where classic three-legged kerosene stoves were incorporated in marine cookers, the legs were sometimes removed (by the cooker maker) but the tank was then secured by soldering or clamping.

    I have also seen legs removed for other domestic/industrial heating purposes, but again some evidence of alternative support or bracing had been left as the convex base of a classic stove is just about the most awkward arrangement for any heater!

    It is certainly a mystery.

    Best Regards,
    George.
     
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    Hi @haknuts , you had me confused with your invented adhesive.

    https://no.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lurium_300_X

    I will ask for clarification before Googling in future!

    I do urge you to repair the legs with solder if you can, as your 1953-1961 Norwegian stove deserves proper restoration.

    Best Regards,
    Kerophile.
     
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    Hi George @kerophile

    I was thinking of something like this, but I couldn't remember at the time exactly what it was, or whose post it was in. Should have known it was @presscall You can see there are no fixed legs, and there is a bracket in the galley stove to hold the kero stove.

    ....Arch
     
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    Hi Arch @ArchMc , I too was thinking of the Clyde cooker, and the base of the stove tanks used in the cooker were positioned, then soldered into 3 inch diameter holes cut in the support trays.

    I was arguing that if the Hovik Verk Primus stoves had been used in a similar arrangement we might expect to see evidence of soldering or clamping.

    I don't know how these Hovik stoves lost their legs but I don't think it would have been bad workmanship as Hovik had a good reputation for stove quality.

    Another stove mystery?

    Best Regards,
    George.
     
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    Interesting. Seems like Lurium is not a new invention, and so my "claim" on the word would have to be withdrawn.
    Lurium - is not always that. I would rephrase my own definition: Lurium (from 'lure') - a (most likely) deceitful mixture or compound with alleged multi-application properties, that (then again) may - or may not live up to its expectations. Thus - in the former, Lurium is a good thing to have around.
     
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    @kerophile Ah! I didn't realize they were soldered in. I thought they hung in the bracket.

    Stove mystery indeed.

    ....Arch
     
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    Come Christmas I'll make an attempt to solder those legs. Is it possible that they could have become so hot that they melted a 3% silversolder (around 250°C melting temp)?
     
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    @haknuts

    Short answer: yes.

    But all three legs would indicate a catastrophe of sorts, so other bits may well have melted and there would be tell tale signs on the stove. If it looks "neat" they were probably carefully removed.

    The original solder may not have any silver content; so when resoldering with 3% silver, keep the rest of the soldered parts cool to stop them melting apart.

    Cheers

    Tony
     

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