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Early 1900s Sirram boiling set (missing kettle).

Discussion in 'Marris Ltd - (Sirram)' started by Trojandog, Oct 12, 2014.

  1. Trojandog

    Trojandog United Kingdom Subscriber

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    This set comprises stand, spirit container and burner:

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    The stand is quite large at 6 1/2 inches (16.5cm) diameter. The pot/kettle supports can be swivelled but not lowered. This means that the 'pins' are always sticking up. These would be vulnerable to damage and could cause damage so I am sure that a kettle should complete the set, which would sit on top of the supports in transit:

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    The base of the stand has a raised central section which matches a depression in the bottom of the burner, thus keeping the burner central:

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    The stand has a small plate marked "The Sirram" Rd No 247422. This number was registered between 29th December 1894 and 24th January 1895 (National Archive Kew, Ref BT50/220). This is significant, as the limited known history of Marris Ltd currently indicates that the trade name 'Sirram' was first used in 1906:

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    The spirit container holds just under 3/4 of a UK Pint (15 fluid ounces/400ml) and is in very good condition. There is a large depression in the base to allow it to sit on top of the burner in transit:

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    The container has two plates. One marked Spirits and the other "Sirram" Rd No 454221. This number was registered between 8th March and 13th May 1905 (National Archive Kew, Ref BT51/125):

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    The burner has three parts:

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    The brass burner itself has an absorbant pad covered with mesh. There are no holes around the burner as seen in later designs (a la Trangia). The base of the burner is tin and is in surprisingly good condition. These are normally rusted through:

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    The simmer ring is of brass and has a cover which can be pivoted to adjust the flame size. It is marked Sirram Rd 542349. This number was registered between 23rd March and 16th June 1909 (National Archive Kew, Ref BT 53/5):

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    The burner cover is of tin and just press fits onto the burner. It is marked Sirram Rd No 52424(5?). This number was registered between 29th February and 12th June 1908 (National Archive Kew, Ref BT53/1):

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    There was no kettle with the set, but I have a Sirram copper kettle which I picked up at a car boot sale for £1.00 last summer. It is a perfect fit but is waiting to have it's spout soldered back on:

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    It is quite large at 2 3/4 UK pints so I wonder if the capacity may be too much for the burner. The fuel may run out before the kettle boils. I'll find out once I get my soldering act together.

    It is interesting that the set comprises components with registered number dates covering 1894/5, 1905, 1908 and 1909. Make of that what you will :-k .

    Regards,
    Terry
     
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  2. Zincman United Kingdom

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    Is that the one I followed on eBay? I may have an empty japanned box for it. If you send me the dimensions I'll have a look...
     
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    You said you supposed the kettle would sit on the supports in transit. I suspect they were meant to swivel sideways and allow the kettle to sit inside the base, like this set

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    Hi Duncan. Yes, that's the set.

    Very kind of you to see if you have a box. The dimensions of the set 'as-is' - 7" wide by 3 1/2" high. With the non-original kettle the set is 7" high.

    Best wishes,
    Terry
     
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    I think you are right John. Interesting that Marris chose to leave the top ends of the supports sharp, rather than bending them over.

    Terry
     
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    The later supports tend to be of an off-set hinge type.
    It is odd that they left a "naked" wire upright as everything else was so well thought out.
     
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    Nice Sirram set Terry.
    I have not seen that one before.

    Yes it does seem strange that the kettle support uprights are sharp and not bent over at the top to prevent someone getting injured. But the uprights will keep the kettle in place.

    I was wondering if the Sirram set is complete or was there something that went on top? - something that might cover the points.
     
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    Terry

    What diameter etc is the Kettle you need?

    I have one with the dome in the bottom that may fit. It's a steel one with a tinned inside. I am pretty sure there is a picture here :-

    http://classiccampstoves.com/posts/23660

    Cheers, Nick
     
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  9. Trojandog

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    Duncan and Nick's offers are very much appreciated and I've replied via PT.

    Terry.
     

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