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Model 9 to X-GK

Discussion in 'MSR - Mountain Safety Research' started by snwcmpr, Feb 21, 2016.

  1. snwcmpr United States

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    No frills, no details, just a few photos and a little text.
    No Model 9A.
    And not a definitive source of information. Used items may not be used as a single source of validity.

    Model 9
    MSR Model 9.JPG

    9MF
    MSR 9MF.JPG

    9DF
    MSR 9DF.JPG

    G & GK
    No date codes
    MSR G&GK.JPG

    G
    No date code
    Use metal Sigg bottle
    No cotter pins on pump
    Instructions show image of a stove with flat top generator
    MSR G.JPG

    G Later
    Has a date code
    Instructions state to use MSR fuel bottle not Taiwan bottle
    MSR G-Later.JPG

    GK
    No date code
    Use only Sigg fuel bottle not Taiwan bottle
    MSR GK.JPG
    GK used by volcanologist in Washington State on Mt St Helens in the early 80s.
    Has date code
    Use only Sigg fuel bottle
    MSR GK-Volcanologist.JPG

    X-GK
    Has date code
    MSR X-GK.JPG

    G/GK Instructions I found in the box of stoves.
    "Sigg Fuel Bottle (Purchased separately)"
    MSR Instructions.JPG

    Ken in NC
     
  2. idahostoveguy

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    That's awesome to see all those in chronological order. Ken, your stoves are in outstanding condition, especially that white pump on your No. 9. It looks like it could be found on a mountain climb supplying the pressure needed on the out cropping at high altitude!

    I hadn't realized that the tin can heat diffuser was used so early and for so long. I have a couple of those, I think, if not more and seems that all of them are included in my 'G' versions of my stoves.

    I do have a question for you MSR aficionados about the 9A. Maybe this is a question for another thread, but, did the 9A have a bakelite bottom or was it the thick wood/carbon bottom and looked like the 'G'? I ask this because the 9 has the wood bottom and then later stoves have the bakelite bottom. I have a stove that looks like a 'G' but has the wood bottom. Could this possibly be the 9A? It's not a theory I'm postulating. I really don't know. I tried reading through the docs and there is nothing really on this or it is not very clear. I guess I could be theorizing that the stove I have 'could' be a 9A only based on the bottom base being the same as the 9.


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    I think it is a post for this thread.
    The 9A is the one I do not have. I have been told there may be one available in the future, but I do not have one yet.
    I cannot recall the base, but I do know one point in the 9A vs the G. The 9A will have a solid rod in the fuel line, and not a cable.
    The cable was started with the G, BUT, you can see that my 9DF has a cable, as the G/GK has. So, my 9DF is a transition.

    The only 9A in the gallery has a Bakelite base.
    http://classiccampstoves.com/threads/msr-9a.28688/

    Ken in NC
     
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    @ snwcmpr
    Is it possible for you to upload an image of the alignment block numbers and the burner with the jet minus the flame spreader on the stove numbered 112 081? This stove is a Model G but the date seems to be off by a few months. Then again, I could be wrong. The date on this stove would make it and X-GK, which is not right because it's a G not a GK.

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  5. Doc Mark

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    Hi, Oddball,

    Ken's stove in that photo is most definitely a G, and not a GK, or X-GK. The dating can go, one way or the other, for a few months, and there is really no way to pin that down that close. The G Model was produced into 1981, for certain, and that much we do know. For what it's worth...... Take care, and God Bless!

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  6. snwcmpr United States

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    Yes, I think this is more proof of what is true than of what some thought.
    The DF seems to have features of the GK, so another example of a transition rather than a total change on a production line.

    I didn't want to make this generic thread too specific. But, I may bring it back down and take a photo of the block. I thought the stove was already in the gallery, but i will have to look harder.

    Ken in NC
     
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    @Doc Mark
    “The dating can go, one way or the other, for a few months,”
    Only if someone at MSR made a mistake date stamping the alignment block.

    “and there is really no way to pin that down that close.”
    Yes, there is!

    This is why I would like to see a sharp, properly exposed photo of the numbers on the alignment block and two shots of the installed G jet from a different angles. Judging by the photos of snwcmpr’s stoves, I say these images will be excellent.

    I searched CCS forums and cannot find this stove. Maybe it was included as a comment on someone else’s post.
     
  8. snwcmpr United States

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    @oddball
    What other stove could it be than a G? There is no loop. It is not a GK or an X-GK.

    It took me quite a while to get all of these out, and they are now all put away. Before I go and pull them all down again, what is the big deal? Someone put together a G with the parts still available for assembly. Then someone stamped it. A transitional assembly.

    Ken in NC
     
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    If the date stamp is 112 081 and the G jet looks like this,

    xgk_jet.jpg

    then my friend, you have the first X-G I have ever seen. I wrote X-G not X-GK.
     
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    Oddball,

    You, Sir seem pretty determined, for a Newbie with only 4 posts under your belt!! ;) :lol: :lol: :lol:

    How's about you posting photos of your own setup, so we know a bit more about you? We're really happy to have new folks here, but we do expect a bit of courtesy from all of us, including new people. Let us know a bit about you, your experience with stoves, and photos of your own stoves, which is the type of sharing we all do. We will do the same for you. Seems like a pretty fair deal, to me. I look forward to reading more about you, and seeing your own stoves and research documentation. Thanks, and God Bless!

    Every Good Wish,
    Doc
     
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    My first stove was a 1976 8R, which I no longer have. I bought a new 1985 X-GK in 1986 and a WhisperLite in 1988. Both were purchased at Tri-City in Fremont. Recently I have acquired 2 Model G’s, a 1981 GK that turned out to be an unfired first edition November 1981 X-GK, and a WhisperLite Universal.

    I was searching for XGK timelines to learn about stove changes throughout the years and was directed to this forum. After reviewing all of the XGK posts on CCS, it became a little confusing because some photos and text related to the stoves didn’t make sense.

    I have gathered useful information that will be posted to a forum on CCS in due time. If I post in bits and pieces the information becomes scattered and will only confuse users. Hopefully, in the near future I can share my stoves on CCS, but my current focus is creating an accurate timeline to post on CCS.
     
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    This forum has been working on that timeline for years. I am new to it. I do not see it being solved overnight.
    Prior to rei there were no date codes.
    That makes dating difficult.
     
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    I have been working on this day and night and feel very confident about the sequence of MSR stoves from the Model 9 to the G & GK. Yes, it takes time but should happen shortly.

    Were you able to check the alignment block numbers and the G jet?
     
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    No, they are put away.
    Are you doing this for a book?
     
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    No, I want to create an MSR Timeline post on CCS for everyone to view, comment and post images.
     
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    Yes, I've seen this and it's off by a few years here and there. That's why I'm asking users to check alignment block numbers and other parts of the stove to validate the stoves time frame.
     
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    Can you post your timeline queries in the timeline thread?
    Thanks
     
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    Yes, sorry for adding baggage to your thread.
     
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    I have a MF with the cable. More confusion from MSR.
    Duane
     

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