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Phoebus 17

Discussion in 'Phoebus' started by n2666s, Sep 8, 2016.

  1. n2666s

    n2666s United States Subscriber

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    Gentlemen, found this old girl :) by sheer luck as she isn't brass that am always on the look out for but looks like chrome with a small bit brass showing underneath and lots of things that I am ignorant about such as the dumiflotchy :-s standing up beside the roarer burner :? at first I thought it was a Coleman :-k then uh oh IMG_2845[1].JPG IMG_2838[1].JPG IMG_2843[1].JPG IMG_2844[1].JPG IMG_2840[1].JPG don't know what it is and can't find any pictures just a few catalogue sketches/drawings from the 30s; thoughts and advice appreciated;
    Cheers :content:
     
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    @n2666s

    The dumiflotchy (I've never heard that word before) looks like it might be a devise to aid lighting the roarer burner. First, though, does it fit the other way around?

    The dimple in the primer bowl saves a wee bit of metho until the last moment. The idea is that there is enough metho left to pump the tank and the remaining burning metho ignites the burner. Your dumiflotchy could be designed to direct the flame directly to the burner...

    Cheers

    Tony
     
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    Tony; thanks for the reply, nearly missed this one :shock: and have not gotten to her yet to try to get burning; her leather pump cup is completely gone and will need a lot of fettling; :-kjust wondering why the roarer assist?; will need to fettle and see how she does; best;
    Lou
     
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    Hi Lou, A lovely stove!
    It is fitted with a shroud plate auto igniter for start up.
    In operation the last priming spirit burning is located in the dimple. The flame from this small reservoir is shielded from the nipple, by the shroud plate, and directed upwards to the skirt of the burner head. When you pump up the tank and hot vapour exits the holes in the silent burner cap, it is ignited by this pilot flame. No-underburn and Happiness results. You have also saved a match!

    http://classiccampstoves.com/threads/early-optimus-burner.7184/#post-68291

    Best Regards,
    George.
     
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    Kerophile wrote:
    The Happiness is based on the fact of less odour in the room, when used indoors. The pilot light ignites the very smelly vapours immediately.

    The stove is very interesting. The trivet has very high humps to make a large gap for the hot gases. The riser tube is mounted with two very solid hexagons. Details of the gasket would be appreciated.

    I think the stove was made in the Russian phase of Rosenthal's Metallwarenfabrik (1945-1955). The word "ORIGINAL" is misleading, because it was a typical element on much earlier stoves of many brands, which were in fact copies of the Swedish stoves. The clue is the lighthouse logo.

    Rosenthal's logo until 1945 was a lighthouse, well designed and seen with an engineers eye:
    The tower stands an a solid rock (=reliability). It has large windows to protect a sophisticated system of mirrors and Fresnel lenses which shapes the light to a beam parallel to the water surface. Even the direction of the light is symbolized by pointed rays.
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    Logo was maintained during the German phase. Only the serifes in MJR almost disappeared:
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    After 1945 a new lighthouse logo appeared, obviously designed by someone with less technical knowledge about lighthouses and less artistic skills:
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    The tower is a house now, with windows to admire the landscape and the seagulls while sitting behind and knitting a sweater. Some rays seem to emerge somehow from the top of the roof.
    But maybe it's not a lighthouse at all, but a chessman with radiative head. :oops:

    Best Regards
    Radler
     
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    George; thank you again for your wisdom; now though am confuzzed as it has a roarer burner and the 'igniter" seems to be oriented away from the burner:?; will take acloser look and get more pix this evening.

    Radler; thank you soo much, wow:thumbup: , wish I knew its story, will take a closer look this evening; but the riser tube and burner don't show IIRC any signs of "wrenching" so am :-k thinking they are original;
    thanks to all and cheers :)
    Lou
     
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    Hi Lou, when you try it out you will find that the igniter should still do the business in lighting the roarer burner. Strictly speaking you do not really need an auto-igniter on a roarer burner as if you start pressurising the tank before the priming flame is extinguished, the burner should ignite. On Silent burers they are really useful as they ensure that the ignition flame is at the level of the outer burner cap and well away from the jet.

    Best Regards,
    George.
     
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    George; thank you so much for helping with my education :) don't think I could have ever got anything burning without this groups help :thumbup:

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    roarer burner and factory stamping below for Radler :thumbup:, :-k so guessing it must have been made after 1945 :-k hmm there was a POW camp for German/Axis Prisoners close by and was thinking it might have come from there; :-kOR the German rocket engineers that were transferred to Huntsville after ww2 with operation "Paperclip":-k, or??? IMG_2849 Phoebus 17.jpg
     
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    n2666s
    Vienna was divided into 4 sectors after WWII. The Phoebus company was in the Russian sector and seems to have survifed good enough to maintain a production under Russian rules.

    Maybe you know the famous film "The Third Man" by Orson Welles (1949). It illustrates somehow (in Hollywood's simplicity) the situation at the time and how complex the economy was then. Possibly a British soldier in the occupying British army aquired your stove as a souvenir and brought it home to Britain.
    But don't tell us now it was Major Calloway's stove!

    Regards
    Radler
     
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