Unkown American Stove

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  1. teckguy_58

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    Hello fellow stovies,

    I have an unusual stove. There are no marking or manufacturers stamps to indicate who manufactured this stove. If someone know more about this stove I would truly like to hear from them. The pot stand with grate is removable.
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    Someone did a very poor soldering job as can be seen.
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    The bottom of the fuel tank/fount has a bolt with gasket. This stove may have been used by plumbers, but I'm just speculating.
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    The pump tube assembly looks looks to be from a military stove.
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    I would like to get this stove up and running, but I fear it may leak around the bolt on the bottom of the fuel tank/fount. This stove looks to be rather ancient of day. I fear the bold may be seized and I don't want to ruin the stove.

    Any help or recommendations would be appreciated.


    Cheers,
    Norman
     
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    Norman

    It looks like a plumber's or roofer's forge, but I'm not familiar with its design. If you run out of luck here (with info), try looking at some of the blow lamp/blow torch collector's sites.

    Cheers

    Tony
     
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    Hi Tony,

    Thanks I will give the search engine a workout. Hope to find the info I'm looking for.

    Cheers,
    Norman
     
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    Im with a plumbers forge as well although they were not often silent burners. The tool marks seem to match plumbers tools
     
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    Hi geeves,

    I believe you are correct, but this stove leaves me with more questions than answers.
    I have looked on several sites, but this stove is nowhere to be found. Maybe one of the manufacturers made a variant of a plumbers furnace that could be used as a camp stove, but I'm just speculating and on top of that who in their right mind would want to put this stove in a backpack and lug it all over creation. Truly this stove is a conundrum.


    Cheers,
    Norman
     
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    The size of the stove might be a clue. Im getting a feeling the burner is about 2 inches across and the priming tray is huge and the tank 4 or 5 pints at least comparing it to the fence.
    Furnaces are included here but really they were never intended to be campstoves although they come in handy when cooking a really big meal.
    Do you have it running? The heat and flame would be worthy of publishing.
     
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    Why do you say American stove?
     
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    It's got an air of being a "Frankie" to me. The fount looks like it's come from a lamp and the lower frame / legs could easily be "home made". Perhaps the original fount needed replacing.

    Interesting too that the pump and filler (/SRV?) are on opposite sides of the fount.
    Regards
    John
     
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    Hi there stovies,

    I've been beating my brains out trying to find a stove like the one I have posted, but I have been unsuccessful in my search. I decided to try a different approach, so thought maybe I should look for the burner after all it is a bit unique. Well, I did find the burner and it is on a Evinrude stove.
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    The Evinrude camp stoves were made for Evinrude by the Hercules Mfg, Minneapolis, Minnesota with a patent date of May 18, 1920. If you will look at the burner it is identical to the burner on my stove.
    I've answered at least one question, but I still have more questions than answers. I have seen the pickup tube configuration on another stove, but I just can't find it or remember where I have seen it.
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    This stove is looking more and more like a Frankie. The removable legs with grate are most likely home made. John, Jeopardy, pointed this out in his comments above, John, good catch on noticing the pump is on the opposite side to the fuel tank/fount.
    snwcmpr asked, "Why do you say American stove"?, because is it reasonable to assume most of the parts may have come from the USA.
    The fuel tank/fount is still a mystery to me. I looks like it could have come from a Military kerosene/paraffin lantern or maybe a preheater for a hot bulb engine. I will start checking some of the lantern site to see if I can find a fuel tank/fount with this configuration, because it is very unusual.
    Well, guys what do you think. I look forward to your comments.

    Cheers,
    Norman
     
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    Hi Tony,

    Thanks, but I'm still striking out, but I won't give up I'll just keep working on it.
    Any ideas you can offer?

    Cheers,
    Norman
     
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    @teckguy_58

    Why not post some photos of the major pieces disassembled. It might prompt further information from members.

    Tony
     
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    Hi Tony,

    Disassembling the stove is going to be a chore. First I will have to find a way to loosen the bolt on the bottom of the stove without ruining anything. Once that is done I will have to remove all of the solder. Once these 2 problems are taken care of the disassembly of the stove should be too much of a problem. Taking the pictures of the disassembled part will be easy. Reassembling the stove won't be as hard as disassembling, but I would like to do a nice job of soldering instead of the extremely poor job as seen in the picture.
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    There has to be a way of making it look much better without compromising the pickup tube or having leaks.
    I'll see what I can do.

    Cheers,
    Norman
     
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    You can remove the solder by Bleeding it off. Grab some large automotive wire and some soldering flux. Peel the insulation off the wire and apply the flux. Lay the wire in the soldered part of the stove and apply heat. Solder will run into the wire and pull it away while it is hot. Re apply process as needed. Electronic supply stores also have solder wick for this purpose and they also sale a vacuum to assist in removing solder.
     
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    Multi-strand wire works best for that, great suggestion by the way.

    Ken in NC
     
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    @HercL4D2, @snwcmpr,

    Thanks guys for the suggestion. Who ever did this exceptionally poor job of soldering really went overboard. The preheat well has more solder than you can shake a bloody stick at. It will take a while to get all of the solder out and then I will have to find a way to the bold on the bottom of the tank free, yep it is seized.

    Cheers,
    Norman
     
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    If you do the 'pressurise and dunk' test - probably best after you've dumped the excess solder out of the priming cup - you might not need to remove that bolt.

    John
     
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    Infomation re:- De soldering an excellent product used to be available in a several sizes from electronics shops called solder wick it is basically woven wire tube as applied to some shielded cables. comes on a small roll stretched out flat (works well)