British Army No7

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  1. richmay

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    Army No 7 well used and marked with the company it was issued to

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    A better view of the case

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    Label on the tank is the only marking, no date stamp on the base of tank

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    The chain for the control key is missing

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    Flame

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    A nice well used little stove that runs great.

    Cheers
     
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    That’s a fine stove and it’s good to see all the markings.

    Thanks for the comprehensive post.


    Tony

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    Aye. I like the that. Good used example with tales to tell.
     
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    @richmay This and @Haggis ‘s 71 have got me thinking I must hunt harder.
    Pity my wallet is saying “don’t you dare!”
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    @Jeopardy

    I’ve a voice on each shoulder, one saying “You’ll need that money to make a forever “loan” to a Granddarling”. The other voice is saying; “Buy things you’ll enjoy for the time you have left,,,”.

    I listen to both voices, but with varying degrees of success.
     
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    Nice stove. I'm guessing it's got a 71L/80 tank and a 123R upperworks.
    I will also venture to guess the ''HQ&S 17'' = Head Quarters and Staff, 17th [?]
    And Brigade Communications for the yellow letters. [But that's probably too easy.]

    I like the military #7 stove box. Not sure about the tin cases of the Optimus 80 and Primus 71L. For that reason, I preferred the Svea 123.
     
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    @SveaSizzler

    I thought it could be "Head Quaters & Support " could be 17 Brigade or No 17 stove, the yellow = Brigade Communications, but as you say too easy.

    The case is sturdy i have a 71 that i use in one, i bent some metal to fit over the pot supports of the case to raise the pot/kettle as the 71 is taller than the No7.
     
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    @Jeopardy

    You know you want too :lol:

    @Tony Press

    Thanks Tony

    @Spiritburner

    Thanks Ross, it is the first one that i have seen with markings on the case none of the others in the gallery are marked that i can see.
     
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    When I was in the Marines, we had ''H&HMS''at the group level. For Headquarters and Head Quarters Maintenance Support. [or ''Service'' or ''Supply'']. Something like that. It was a long time ago and I was a kid then. Always with a number like H&HMS 12. Pronounced as ''Hams twelve.''
    Seventeenth Lancers have a long history. Why not say it's theirs? That'll sell it to the souvenir crowd.

    Does the earlier Slotted type fuel cap like that take the same SRV pip as the later Penta/key type caps?
     
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    Hi Searches for 17 Signals regiment reveal these:

    Gurkha Signal Regiment - Regiment History, War & Military Records & Archives

    “On 1st September 1959 the titles of Gurkha Signals units were re-designated. Among these was 250 (Gurkha) Signal Squadron (Training), which replaced the Gurkha Signal Training Squadron (GSTS). The role of this unit was no different from its predecessor but it was relocated. 250 (Gurkha) Signal Squadron moved south from the Depot, Brigade of Gurkhas, at Sungei Patani to Sikmat Camp in Seremban with the renamed 17 (Gurkha) Signal Regiment”

    British Army units from 1945 on - 17 Regiment

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    Hi @richmay it would be nice to date your No.7 stove case as it will give us a better idea of where it may have served. Have a read of this thread and look to see if it is possible to see any markings on the top lid of the case:

    Question about the British Army No7 stovebox

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    Hi @kerophile, the markings on the top of the case: 1 39 3651 /|\ SD L 78

    I also have a couple of NOS cases , they are both marked 1 39 3651 /|\ SD I 78 I am not sure how the date works on this, but i assumed it was 1978 for the last two digits looking at previous posts.

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    Hi @richmay all the No.7 cases that I have seen share the same stamped No: 139 3651,broad arrow, SD1 78

    I believe that the first 7 numbers are part of the NATO inventory code for this appliance.

    The broad arrow is the traditional MOD logo.

    It seems likely that the SDI identifies the Manufacturer, just as TOC refers to Tools of Coventry in the stamping on the British Military No.12 Cooker case.

    The 78 is the last two digits of the year of manufacture, 1978.

    So your No.7 stove was rather too late for the Malaya Emergency or the Borneo/Sarawak fighting, in which the Gurkha forces were very involved.

    Of course there would have been opportunities for using the stove in training exercises when the Gurkha Signals Regiment was stationed at the Gamecock Barracks, Bramcot, Near Nuneaton in England.

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    Hi @kerophile the other thing i thought the 17 could stand for, could be the stove is say 17 out of 20 stove held in the stores, just a thought, I assume by the 1978 date on the cases the stove would have been issued around that time period and as you say could well have been used by the Gurkha Signals Regiment.

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    Sadly the trail for historic background info dried up @kerophile. I'm still a bit miffed I didn't close out the SD I question.
     
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    Hi @Simes. A pity indeed. It is the last “unknown” regarding the identifier on No.7 stove cases. Someone who was around in 1978 likely knows the name of this long defunct sheet-metal fabrication Company called SDI....

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    Kerophile