Well, here is a real German oddity. An oddity because of the collection of rather idiosyncratic design elements. Some of which seem chosen rather gratuitously either to rule out compatibility with rivals or simply to show off what must have been thought to be 'clever' ideas at the time! For a start there is the idea of a limited movement pressure release screw: Which is a good idea in theory, until wear on the tapered screw tip means that the grub screw stop prevents it from sealing ... Then there is the filler cap accessed NRV which simultaneously leaves one vulnerable to the vagaries of undoing a recessed slotted cap at the same time as limiting the amount of pressure which can be applied ... Then there is the unusual height relationship between the burner and the leg tops which requires use of a unique pan ring with particularly high ribs ( Link ). Here a Radius ring is being used as a temporary substitute pending fabricating a more authentic replacement: And of course there is the burner itself, again quite a unique design, and not easy to find replacements for. But in this case now restored to working order as a result of some much appreciated and absolutely astounding reconstructive surgery by loco7stove, which is why the burner now puts the rest of the stove to shame. The burner cap is No.4 size:
"D.R.P.ang" means Deutsches Reich Patent Angemeldet, translates as: 'German State Patent applied for/pending'. "D.R.G.M." stands for 'Deutsches Reichs Gebrauchs Muster' which is not a patent, more of a copyright register. The use of these elements in combination with some of the design oddities may mean that this stove dates from earlier than the 1930s although both forms of registration remained in use up until 1945. [Stu's reconstructive surgery was on the burner itself where there were difficult splits and leaks in the main body of the vaporiser.]
Ian I recently added Moha to the manufacturers list. They are made by Gebruder Bing They cant be any later than 1933 Ross and I both have a Moha in the SRG, with the same NRV as yours. A while back, I picked up a nice collapsible Moha Sublimus, from Germany, mint condition, unfired, but missing a leg - Stu made one for me - can't tell it from the original - thanks Stu - and Terry ( Trojandog ) was able to date it for me, no later than 1914. Being a No 1, yours could date as early as that. I take strays of Moha stoves.
Hi Ian Nice stove you fettled. Here are some info`s that I have regarding the MOHA company. The earliest Info I have is that they been into kitchen equippement from at least WWI times. They did belong to the BING company which achieved big fame by producing carburators since 1933. But that happened after the companies break down in early 1930s. So we can say that those stoves we know ( kero and alcohol ) must be dated pre-1932. first picture shows the company structure in 1918, second pic shows structure from 1928. Third picture shows the logos they used on their products. To my information there was a fourth logo in use that looks like the early one GBN but without the N in the middle. This is confusing as it might be confounded with "Georg Barthel - GB" logo. The Letter N stands for Nürnberg - the company`s place in Germany. On my Moha alcohol stove there was "BW" scratched into the underside of the pre-heater bowl; I got information that this was common to do by the workers. Now that it is quiet obvious that the stove where produced pre-1932 it is clear that all offers from east-Europe stating "Wehrmachtskocher - WW2" are nonsense and just an attempt to make profit. regards Peter
Thanks to all for some very illuminating contributions. So definitely pre-1932 then. I had noticed that the filler/pressure release set up was very like that found on other earlier German stoves like Juwel and Aetna. But did any other manufacturer use that form of NRV? I had it in my mind that at least one Swedish manufacturer tried it, but can't remember which. (Here is a link which will help explain the reference above to erroneous WW2 Wehrmacht attributions Link ).
Peter said : " To my information there was a fourth logo in use that looks like the early one GBN " If there are 4 now there are 5, with Bavaria under the logo. I assume you are a member of the Pelum forum, you will see the Sublimus there, with the dating evidence - 1914, it also suggest there, that there is another model of the Sublimus type. Ian - I have sent you some pictures
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@ribara Thats very kind of you - quite a lot of us help each other by buying and/or seeking stoves out for each other. If you subscribe - which I will strongly recommend - then you can post your stoves for sale/trade in here.
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