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  1. cmb56

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    Personally I should leave the paint on the box as it is.
    It is in good condition in my world.

    Michael
     
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    The 111 has a kerosene roarer burner; the 111B has a gasoline roarer burner; the 111 has a silent burner.

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    Want your money back ? :whistle: I think that'll answer it lol
     
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    @Tony Press Oh yes! I have couple of 111 & 111T and one 111C. But no 111B since they most probably has not been for sale here. ](*,)I just wanted to get confirmation from Swedish members for origin of that 'B' if it comes from word 'Bensin'.

    If 'T' comes from 'Triple' then gasoline 111 should be 111G? :doh:Or is 'T' coming from Swedish word 'Tre'?
     
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    To my knowledge B is for Bensin, the Swedish word for Gasoline.

    T should be for Triple or maybe the Swedish word Trippel but most probably Triple.

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    Baby steps.
    I work every other week, this is my work week :( So little happens.
    But I did remove the pump from the 111T and took off the fuel cap.
    Pump has o-ring. Looks/feels brand new. Impossible I think but more
    confirmation this stove has never been fired.
    Fuel cap o-ring/gasket looks same.
    Next step is Tony's pressure test. Wednesday.
     
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    B for Bensin. The roarer burner is different from the kerosene one (see reference gallery).

    Cheers

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    Thought of an obvious question....but to me not so obvious answer.
    Is silent burner always associated with kerosene?
    I'm pretty sure my 111T is setup for kero and I plan to use kero, so it is just
    a curiosity question.
    Moreso in that I don't have to change out anything to burn Coleman fuel IF I find myself
    in a situation where it is the only source....knowing that I would have to re-jet if ever
    wanting to use alcohol.

    My just being paranoid....not wanting to hurt stove or self.
     
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    Oh, even more important.
    Is 'underburn' mostly associated with the silent burner?
    What is advantage of silent vs. roaring?
    My optimus 99r is a roarer...the sound doesn't bother me if 'loudness' is the advantage.
    In fact at my age I can probably only here 30% of the output.
     
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    Underburn is a silent burner problem.

    Silents are great indoors, but often do poorly outside; at least in the 3-legged brassies. Serious breeze sensitivity with the silent burners.
     
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    Silent vs roarer burners is a separate issue from gasoline vs kerosene. Silents and roarers are available for both fuel types.

    Underburn is only an issue on silent burners. It happens when there's burning under the caps, which will damage them.

    Generally, roarers are more wind resistant than silents, so many people prefer them outdoors. However, in a hut or crowded campsite it can be advantageous to have a silent burner stove, expecially if you're an early riser.

    ....Arch

    edit: This post crossed with Ed's.
     
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    OK then great answers Arch and Ed.
    Tells me I'd like to convert the 111T silent to a roaring.
    Would be more durable/less prone to accidental damage and
    my 111T is for outside paddle camping use.

    So, what process would be involved in changing it out?

    I bet, but don't know, just might be easier to find a 111T that is already set to roar.

    Thanks again.
    Robert
     
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    Errrr, a 111 since it is the roarer.
     
  15. Ed Winskill

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    I cannot comment on silent burners in 111s, having no experience myself. Others will know. My assumption has been that these low-profiled boxed (and often cowled) silents may not present the same problems as the more upright three-legged classics. As to those, silent burners are indeed poor performers outside.

    But I'd wait for some input re the 111s first.....
     
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    I have both roaring 111 and silent 111T, and my experience is that I do never use the silent.
    Outside the silent burner is not performing well, even with good wind screens all around the stove. It is not burning clean enough, so inside it will stinks after few minutes. The roar is much better in all regards, except of the loudness.
    That is my opinion, but I have never been a fan of silent burners. And particular to the 111T, my bad experiences are from the army. It took me 20 years before I touched a 111T again, and I would not have my 111T if it wasn't dirt cheap.

    The roaring 111 is a real camp stove.
     
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    I have both roarer and silent Optimus 122s (see Reference Gallery). I use the roarer for outside work, and the silent for inside work. I’ve never had the problems @afoton says he had with this silent burner. Mine works excellently.

    I’ve used the silent outdoors as well, but with a full windshield on all sides. That said, roarer burners are easier outdoors.

    Now: DON’T convert an unused silent burner 111 to a roarer. If you want a roarer 111 sell your unused silent to someone who wants it, buy a roarer and spend the change (you will definitely have change) at the pub.

    Seriously, busting up an unused 111... ????

    Someone here will do you a swap.

    Tony
     
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    Tony I'm slooooowwwwwwly realizing I have a gem.....and have already begun looking for a 111.
    There will be no busting up.
    Forgot to mention, sadly no pubs here.
     
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    Recall that the 111T is considered a multi fuel stove. Kerosene, alcohol, and gasoline. Jet change and an air restrictor for alcohol.
    The 111 is kerosene only. (Considered one of the very best stove by many)
    The 111B is gasoline only.

    Personally ..... I am more comfortable using kerosene only in this style of stove because of the chance of an NRV failure leaking fuel into the pump tube. The nature of the NRV design needs attention if using a more volatile fuel than kerosene.
    It may not happen often, but it happens. Inexperienced stovies may not be aware. If the pump rod is pushed up, check the NRV.
     
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    Noted the precautions on the 111B and its use of Coleman.
    Yet for years (well over 15 years) I used the 99r and never thought of potential disaster.
    Maybe I should have, but it was always in an outside setting/backpacking.

    Regardless a supposed near mint 111B is now en route :)

    I do wonder why the 111B has a pressure pump rod when my dinky 99r does not ???
    Shear size of fuel tank?

    OK, something else.
    I found my video on my semi-fettle (I didn't do much) on my 99r, and it was because
    of the help found here. Now this was quite a while ago and I bet you guys don't remember
    helping me in the past :)