c.1920 Optimus 'Original' 1S

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    Another case of posting an example of a very run-of-the-mill stove solely for the purpose of trying to find out more about a small oddity. In this case what seems to me to be an oddity is the base provenance marking. All of the other Optimus No.1s and 5s of this vintage that I have come across are marked 'A/B OPTIMUS* STOCKHOLM* MADE IN SWEDEN' on the base. So what is the story behind this one being marked simply 'OPTIMUS*ORIGINAL'?

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    The closest roughly comparable and contemporaneous use of the term 'original' I can find to this is in examples of 'Ursus' and 'Phenix' stoves uncovered by @gieorgijewski. Both of these appear to have been made for sale in Poland. Is that significant?

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    The earliest Optimus stoves had nothing stamped on the tank bottom.
    I think from near 1920 the Optimus stoves started to be stamped with variations of A.B.Optimus Stockholm.
    Your stove could may be be a transition stove.
    There is another one here.
     
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    About 1914 - 1917. Maybe 1914 as it still doesn't have the fancy "globe" filler cap that Optimus took over from Lux around 1914 (Lux and Sirius were two brands that had it - Sirius probably being produced in the Optimus factory in Stockholm), and yet it already has the standard non-integral spirit cup, so I'd say it's around 1914.
     
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    For Me - 'A/B OPTIMUS* STOCKHOLM* MADE IN SWEDEN' - was very rare or "never seen"
    The one O1S I have - is 'OPTIMUS*ORIGINAL'
    on My part WWW - simply finded next 3 examples
    but "A/B OPTIMUS* STOCKHOLM* MADE IN SWEDEN' " not existed (here).

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    So quite possibly this form of tank bottom marking has more to do with which sales market the stoves were destined for at that time?
     
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    That is certainly a possibility, Ian.
    I would like to see detailed photos of @gieorgijewski 's stoves.
     
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    Any conclusions?
    I add - I was surprised by the diversity of O1S in the gallery, for me - it was always the typical fixed with two types of burners.
    Others do not occur.
    In the "Swedish" represent more than 50% of the total.
    So they dominate. Hence, it can be assumed - that was some kind of assembly plant in Poland, and in order to distinguish the production used a different signature.
     
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    All,
    Sorry I don't have conclusions re this stamp. I have researched it in the past with a couple of ideas, one is proven wrong with OP.
    The NRV and type of flat cap etc may date it, as per OP, to the 20s. I wonder if it might be late 20s?

    Re: focus on examples from Poland (&area) being statistically high:
    If so, might it also be, tumultuous times there reflect a spike in demand for these stoves, a much needed item amidst such chaos (& a time this stamp was used).

    I still contemplate 2 thoughts:
    It was short lived (seemingly on 1 model?).
    The same marketing influence that dedicated full pages to "Original Optimus" in 1932 & 39 catalogs also influenced use of this stamp.
    These 2 points lean towards certain years it was in use (vs stove destination for example).

    There are many examples of outdated images & details used in Optimus catalogs. Example here might be, the Original Optimus stamp may have been in-use in late 20s and it isn't until 1932 that catalog emphasizes "Original Optimus". The 1939 "catalog" still includes this emphasis while stove "production" may have already ended that stamping?
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    today -typical O5 Optimus Original
     
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