Canadian Coleman 500 - C42 date

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  1. presscall

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    It’s made an appearance on CCS before, when I fettled it during the ‘Rustbucket’ saga, at which point a previous owner had removed the olive drab paint from the tank.

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    I decided to reproduce the original finish as far as possible, though for now I’m undecided how (if at all) I define the fuel/air lever positions. There’s no trace of stamped ‘light’ and ‘burn’ on the collar as on another of my Speedmasters. I’ll be removing them, but to remind myself of the positions while I get back into using the stove there are rather obvious self-adhesive vinyl letters ‘L’ and ‘B’.

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    I initially left the pump cap in natural brass ...

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    Then decided it and its securing screw heads should be painted too.

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    Lighting procedure. Font was already partially pressurised and I wouldn’t normally turn the stove around to access pump, lighting lever, control wheel - did so to get them in shot for the video.
    John
     
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    As always - high quality - a keen eye for details and well documented John. Thank you for taking your time for this!

    (wish I could find a windscreen for my ‘39 Coleman 500, which HV @MrAlexxx so kindly gifted me).
     
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    @Harder D. Soerensen

    I think just the military issued ones got the windscreen. The civvy versions had to do without. One of the bad decisions made at Coleman. You can make one! :)

    Alex
     
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    Nice work!
     
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    Yeah - I might give it a try - but right now that work takes up too much of my fettling time!
     
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    Night fell. Opportunity to show the outstanding controllability of the 500 burner.
     
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    Okay...I'm going to have to go light mine now. :)

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    Very nice, i'm going to have to have a play with its American cousin now, i think its also from the 40's but i can't seem to find the date like i did before,

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    Works very well. Doesn't surprise me at all. Coleman's are some good stoves.
     
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    Perhaps it has an all-steel font with the date stamp less indented than it is on brass.

    I’ve one such example on the left here, alongside the Canadian 500 (prior to the repaint ).

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    Cream-painted font USA Coleman Speedmaster, B41 date.

    The stamping is very faint, there’s a ‘B’ ...

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    ... and a ‘41’ just about visible

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    Wartime economies, savings on the nickel to plate brass, then on the brass, to painted steel apparently.

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    Yes i believe you are correct and it is also an all steel font, i do remember a P possibly lightly stamped B when i looked before but couldn't see it last night, i will check again later, your Military 500 jogged my memory regarding mine so i looked in the reference gallery and saw yours plus the new old stock one but i didn't notice any more, i wasn't really in to stoves when i bought it but i am glad i kept it now, i have had it running but now i know a little more i will have to take another look at it, thanks.
     
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    I like the rugged grey painted surface, it has a lot of character!

    Ciao, Bastian
     
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    Not paint Bastian, it’s the dull sheen of black lead polish on bare steel grate and the cast iron manifold.

    You’ve a good eye. I didn’t want to go for the silver stove paint look. I understand how it makes grates look smart, but thought something less bright suited this 500 better, more authentic to military issue and restoring the cast iron manifold colour, which would not have been silver painted or silver in colour originally.

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    Anyhow, a great Look! I will consider this for future Restoration of Iron parts!

    Ciao, Bastian
     
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    @Sternenlicht
    It’s a traditional finish for cast iron, certainly back to the 1800’s. This is the stuff I use, but there are other brands.

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    It brings up cast iron a treat, as on this Flamme Bleue kerosene stove.

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    John
     
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    That's handy, i was going to ask what you used to get that finish :thumbup:
     
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    Thanks a lot, I will keep that in my mind!
    I found out, that some of the ingredients of such polish have been prohibited in the EU, maybe the lead?
    I will try to get another one or ask my parents, I know they used that also.

    That Flamme Bleu is a beauty!

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    If not lead (❌❌❌)!!!! there’s some powdered metal in the polish, which gives the metallic lustre.

    I think I solved the connundrum of the ‘Light’ and ‘Burn’ labelling.

    I made up a plausible stores marking, B14L, cut a crude stencil and applied it, using a matt grey spray paint I’d used previously to spruce up a Primus acetylene lantern.

    The ‘B’ and the ‘L’ correspond to left and right lever positions respectively.

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