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Coleman 424 burner gaskets

Discussion in 'Fettling Forum' started by Mark Jones, Jun 12, 2018.

  1. Mark Jones

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  2. HercL4D2

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    I'm not aware there are any gaskets installed under the burner bowls. I do not see any such gaskets in the parts diagrams for the 2 burner or 3 burner models. Are you sure that the dust is just built up dirt and residue?
     
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    A Google search resulted in several results.
    Some say they are not needed.
    If desired, ask Old Coleman Parts.
    Or cut some from exhaust gasket material found at the auto parts store.

    They are not found on Coleman parts diagrams.
     
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    Never used gaskets on my Coleman burner bowls, never knew they ever had gaskets. Never had an issue, might have gotten lucky?
     
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    Never had them on my stoves, either.

    Murph
     
  6. Mark Jones

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    This one needs them

    And that ebay item LINKED ABOVE looks like my best possible solution.

    I've tried it several times in different positions

    flames are under bowl what ever I do...The faces are clean and there is no visible distortion

    Yes the parts diagrams do not show them

    but they are in this burner kit

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Master-B...278130?hash=item441207d072:g:~TgAAOSwk1haKC1J

    THAT KIT WOULD BE WONDERFUL IF WITH UK POSTAGE

    all the best.markj
     
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    @Mark Jones

    I've actually used them on rebuilt single burner Colemans to keep flame from coming up under the burner. The gaskets are/were supplied with replacement Coleman burners and Old Coleman Parts now has them in stock for sale individually. I have also used high temp furnace adhesive but it does not work as well if you have to take the burner apart.

    Mike.
     
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    @HercL4D2

    The gaskets go between the burner box or manifold assembly and the burner bowl. My 3-burner Coleman Guide Stove came with them so this might be a newer part addition maybe from 10 to 15 years ago.

    Mike
     
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    well "old coleman parts" want $25 for international shipping
    I will order the ebay parts at the top off thread

    and report back my findings with them

    thanks for the replies

    all the best .mark
     
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    One thing about Old Coleman Parts.
    If there is a different shipping cost, I have always gotten a refund of the difference. And I can be sure it will actually work on the Coleman product.

    Ken in NC
     
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    Can you get photos of the flames from under the bowl?

    If starting procedures aren't followed or your stove is wonky, you might be getting liquid fuel leaking out and catching fire.

    Very surprised you're getting flames outside the burner bowl without a gasket, if the surfaces are mating properly.
     
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    @Marc

    I've only ran into this problem rebuilding used stoves bought off of ebay. If you do not reassemble the parts exactly as they came off or you mix and match parts you will eventually run into this problem.

    If the previous owner overtightens the burner screw thing get bent.

    The small "shooter" flame will usually stop after the stove gets hot but I decided to use the gasket which solves the problem.

    I have over the last 15 years overhauled more than 2 dozen 400's, 442's ,440's, and 508's.

    Mike
     
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    @HunterStovie You obviously have more experience on these than me, if it's common then it's common. Wonder if there's a way to bend the burner back or lap it to fit the burner head?

    In the future I'll be more careful to keep the burner parts with their respective burners, and aligned the same way. I'm thinking a sharpie mark down the edge of one, and two sharpie marks down the edge of the other would work.
     
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    I would go for the ebay kit or get the correct seals from Mike at Oldcolemanparts. He is the sponsor of the Coleman Collectors Forum and a great guy with whom to do business. I'm sure he'll be willing post the seals in an envelope for a lot less than $25.
     
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    Mine pops at this point with a momentary blue puff but thats all
     
  16. Mark Jones

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    it will be getting sold on ebay , that's why I don't want anyone: ...trying to get a refund or some money back or saying not as described ...or inexperienced person jumping to conclusion's ..if I was keeping it for myself I would not be bothered, yes thought of lapping it ..but these gaskets at £1.50 each with free postage are cheap enough to have a dabble.

    This stove seems to be able to burn a much higher frame than two others I've had, it can be turned up quite a bit higher......not sure that is such a good thing...as it will scorch the paint work...which it already has ..and a lot more that usual ...and yes it does have the polo mint washer amongst the main burner set....And the jet hole is quite a close fit on the needle ...so not that .

    it has a few differences though ..the pump shaft is brass.....and the needle shaft is brass. others were a chrome colour.

    all the best.markj
     
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    THE GASKETS CAME .

    installed them looked good fit

    GASKETS.jpg

    fired it up ....bit of smoke coming from the gaskets

    left it burn for ten mins ..looked like it was working


    let it cool down

    took burner apart
    gaskets had burned

    GAS2.jpg


    so ......I rubbed over with a small stone area that was in contact with bowl to hi-lite low spots

    looks like this on the left burner after one small rub...
    I then gently prised on low areas until I got full contact

    GAS4.jpg


    right burner after I had achieved continuous ring of contact
    in next post
     
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    right burner ..nearly done

    GAS3.jpg


    stone

    GAS5.jpg

    I'm fully expecting this to solve the issue

    and don't buy those gaskets ..they are no good!

    NEXT POST ...DID MY FETTLING WORK....later
     
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    yes it works without flames under bowls now


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