Coleman Candian 4M Tourist 1/63

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  1. Robert Radcliffe

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    I've taken delivery of this very late 4M Tourist stove dated Jan 1963. This is outside the range previously identified by Roland Chevalier in the Guide to Vintage Coleman Products. Roland has confirmed this may be the very latest version of this model so far identified. Very late models have the windscreen tapered only on the top of the outside corner rather than the usual gradual taper along the entire top edge.

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    @Robert Radcliffe
    Great find Robert.
    My 4M of 1960 has the bent wire legs of the later production models but without the very last versions’ windscreen shape, as yours.

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    John
     
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    @presscall
    Thanks John, there was a sharp intake of breath when I spotted 63 not because I realised it was a late model, I didn't realise that until I checked my Coleman reference book, but rather I was born in February 63. Close!
     
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    Interesting !
    Thank you for posting.

    Expanding on your point re new examples outside the range described in Vintage Coleman Products:
    the ranges stated there:
    4M 1956 -62
    411 in 1964.
    We see on CCS for consideration:
    above is your "1 _ 63" 4M and also of interest
    Blueflame's 411 with tank _ _ 63. That is blank _ 63, no month.

    The differences between late 4Ms and early 411s I'm not clear on, aside from the model # on the case. The impression is the 4M was replaced by the 411, now, seems to be c1963.

    I will offer that re late 4M & early 411 the tank and gen are exact same.
    Dating used stoves referring to swappable tank is a consideration in this as well but it appears, as you suggest,
    4M production ran later, into 1963 and it also appears as though .
    411 production began earlier, sometime in 1963.

    As is always the case it will be good to see more '63 examples that certainly could yet emerge.
    Thanks again for your example and for pointing out it's distinction of the "1_63".

    A heads up and our thanks to @Blueflame as well as his 411 contributes to '63 dating here.
    omc

    PS Our thank to Christer, Ross & Co. for all that is done to improve & maintain the site, transparent to readers :thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:. IE this thread relocated to join the other 4Ms in the gallery.
     
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    Yes very interesting to see the 411. There appear to be a few subtle differences like the position of the pivot points of the windscreen supports being on the corners of the case on the 411 and set back on the 4M and of course the wire feet are a different shape. Vintage Coleman Products has the 411 half an inch deeper at 4.5" rather than 4".

    Can I also thank admin for moving my post to the correct place - apologies.
     
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    Upon further comparison with the 411 another difference I've noticed is the change in level of the side panels on the 4M, the 411 appears to be one level.

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    Nice stove Robert and very interesting information regarding the years and model changes thank you everyone.
    As these 4's have turned into a mild obsession for me I have another no model stamp 4m shape case stove inbound, but it's got the wrong bits again.