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Coleman Peak 1 Model 576 Canada '76

Discussion in 'Coleman Peak 1' started by idahostoveguy, Nov 9, 2010.

  1. bajabum

    bajabum United States R.I.P.

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    Ya know, I never even tried to fire up my 576, I was so p*ssed at the seller... :-k
    Might have to give the ugly little sucker a try!
    And as for the 576 leading to the 400 series, I dearly love the 400B, fantastic stove, and a real looker too! :mrgreen:
     
  2. idahostoveguy

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    My comment on 'lightweight' is relative some of the Peak 1 Coleman 400A or B series (Black Paint Feather series) of stoves and the latest 442s and 550s (Light blue, silver and copper-colored exponents with aluminum tank). There's just more metal in this stove and stoves like it. I went ahead and weight a few other stoves for comparison. It turned out to be a fun little task.

    I weighed the 576 with about a 1/4 tank of fuel and it comes in at 2.25 pounds (1020 grams). I have a 440 and a Brown Peak 1 400 that weigh the same.

    The 502, with cook pot case, lid and handle, dry, comes in at about 3.5 pounds (1580 grams).

    M1950, dry, comes in at 1.5 pounds (680 grams) and this is without the canister.

    Coleman 520, dry, comes in at 2.75 pounds (1165 grams) and no canister. The Coleman 530 would probably be around the same without the canister.

    Primus 71, dry, in tin box comes in at 1.5 pounds (680 grams).

    SVEA 123, dry, weighs in at about 1.25 pounds (566 grams). That's complete with jet pricker, key, pot and handle.

    Coleman 533, weighs in, with a 1/4 tank of fuel, at a little over 2 pounds (907 grams).

    Optimus 8R, cookie cutter knob, with pump, dry, scales in at 1.75 pounds (793 grams), so lighter than the 576.

    Optimus 111B, dry, cookie cutter knob, tips the scales at a little over 4 pounds.

    Primus 96 (The Pocket), full of fuel, with tools, prickers, wind screen, and tin, a little under 2 pounds (900 grams).

    Primus 210, full tank, with wrench, no spirit bottle, prickers, and tin, 2.5 pounds (1133 grams).

    M2A military stove, with 2 gallons of fuel, 54 pounds (24.5 kg).

    MSR GK with bottle (1/4 full), pump, stove, 1.25 pounds (566 grams)

    So, this is the frame of reference that I'm going by.

    Hope this helps,
    sam
     
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  3. techie United States

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    Knight84, that is a great collection. The heater looks awesome.

    Here is the 576 with two rough contemporaries.

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    The 576 in the center is a lot less bulky than the 502 on the left. Its tank is less than 4 inches in diameter, while the 502's tank is about 5 5/16. This makes a big difference in packing.

    I have fuel in them so can't really compare weights exactly, but the 576 at a bit over two pounds is probably half a pound lighter than the 502.

    The Svea 123 on the right handily beats the 576 for bulk and weight, but it is far from silent and doesn't light or adjust quite as easily. Without the aluminum cup, but with some fuel in it, the Svea weighs less than a pound.

    The 576 is easily the hottest of the three. We won't mention beauty here.
     
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  4. geeves

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    A little off topic but regarding the 442 you might remember my post about the rusted out font. In the grand scheme of things though the fuel is still the greatest part of a stoves weight if taking enough fuel for a weekend.
    I normally tramp with a group and we nearly always only take 2 or 3 stoves between us even for up to 10 people so a lot of fuel goes into coffee and tea and cooking normal food rather than quick cook dehydrated
     
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    Unfortunately, Coleman Canada really doesn't exist any longer. The US head office closed the factory in Toronto in the early 1990s, and all that's left is a distribution centre ... and not a very good one at that. Many stoves available in the US and Europe simply aren't sold in Canada - for example the 533 and 550. The biggest wilderness destination in the world and Coleman can't figure out how to sell stoves here. Go figger!

    Old Canoe Guy
     
  6. alnl1996 Canada

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    Talk about missing the boat... :roll:
     
  7. OMC

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    Hi all, My comments (sorry it's long) regards: Coleman pocket stoves / 576 / 505 / 400 / 502-508 (NOT 505A & B btw)
    Murph had similar comment and may agree Coleman had it right (in 41) w/their quart-sized pocket stoves (and later w/the 502). I recall seeing: the most intense 6 mos research-to-production time in Coleman’s history was design of pocket stoves and delivery (5000) to the conflict in N Africa in 42.
    With the 502 they still had it right, later comes the ill-fated 576 (and 505).
    1976 at Coleman in Toronto: model 576 PEAK 1 “Lightweight” Backpack Stove and the model 505 Pocket 2.
    These are identical stoves, I think only the top plate of the burner is different and that’s it.
    Whatever they tried to accomplish in Toronto, IMO, fell short. The 576 looked alot different but at 31 oz empty was not much lighter (502 36 oz), it carried less fuel (13 vs 16 oz) and by all accounts was tipsey. Not all is lost, however
    TIP our hat to Toronto: the burner design @8500 btu was developed and was / is argueably the best 1 burner (just the burner) to-date, bar none. Max heat, excellent simmer and w or w/o windscreen ya can’t blow it out if u try. A 2 lever setup: main fuel valve and at the opposite end a flame adjuster / cleaner. This identical burner setup remained in use on various models and was still available new on the 508 decades later. Being optimistic about it, the albeit heavy 576’s burner was a beginning not an end. They continue(d) to try for a lower and lighter stove but IMO we’ve not (yet) seen an indisputeably “improved” stove / fount (we’ve seen a whole lot of rehash and harder to clean gens). Agreeing w/Murphy Coleman wasn't "light" but they had it "right" early on, and could have stuck w/what worked…from 502 (skip a bunch) to the 508.
    Ok, that said, the 400 (28 oz dry, fuel: 10 oz ) is currently my favorite stove but if the 400 series never went to production the 508 (32 oz dry, fuel 17.6 oz) would suffice. IF that were the scenario (no 400 series) WHO while using a 508 would say to themselves: If I only had a more tipsey stove, 4 oz lighter that holds 7.5 oz less fuel? Answer, nobody? For Coleman IMO a better stove while lighter, lower and smaller didn't happen.
    The not so easy to clean gen, the only part u may need to replace on Toronto's fabulous 2 lever burner is a 508-5891 (a sub for 400-5891) and is used on the 576, 400, 400A, 508 and the 505 (not 505A or 505B).
    AR I’ve a few times now found same EZ fix: wipe out deposits clumped just outside of the jet.
    +1 Geeves 30 oz dry model 533 (HOT, 1 lvr) is lighter than the the 576.
    No comment here on the 550’s (or 505A, 505B) either, there’s another Toronto development (and onto the US) relevent to this BUT it’s enough of a different story unto itself and a 550 thread.
    Ok not 100% certain on this bit: 78 was last year of the 576, as to not compete with the 400 WHICH A. some month? in 79? began production and B. in the US? (I don’t have an example of the earliest 400, I’m aware of an Aug 79 US).
    Side note 505 / 576: Was it Toronto who started this (seemingly senseless) rehash of same models?
    The 8000 btu model 505 ’76-79 and the 8500 btu 576 ’76 – 78:
    TWO PARTS differentiate the 2 and 1 of the parts is a screw! (and I think I’ve got that right).
    My 2 cents on an old thread.