Enders "duo"

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  1. gieorgijewski

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    I cant find the type of this Enders
     
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    Hi Gieorge,
    I tend to say it`s DESCA from GDR. Several Enders where former GDR stuff or clones.

    1422381222-DESCA_Spirituskocher_01.jpg 1422381233-DESCA_Spirituskocher_02.jpg

    Disadvantage of theese stove: you can not open the pipe for wick change, all pipes and tank is one soldered unit; heat output is " well" - slow.
    On the other hand I haven`t seen one before with Enders marking. If you get for small price OK, else I would not invest more than 5 € for that.
    Peter
     
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    It will be good finds types of:
    enders "duo" narrow
    enders "duo" wide

    this is wide

    I know "white enders" duo with toller burners
    not the same constructions

    i need check possibility of wick change - in this model - thanks for info
     
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    George,
    I am shure this is a not original; alas selfmade version.
    The body is Enders 299 wich is the same as Turm 36.

    1422387951-Turm_36.jpg

    You see the shape of the case around the burner! typical for Enders / Turm spirit stoves. Because the original burner ( made by Turm) has a oval long pre-heater bowl.
    Now with your item obviously the burner/ tank unit was changed with a Desca one, having round preheaters.

    Compare with my pictures and you can see the difference.
    Second proof of a not official production. The burners are not exact located in the middle of the spaces. The Desca is bit smaller but about the same in depth, so it does fit in the Turm / Enders body but not exact.

    To what I know is that Enders never produced Spirit stoves by themself, always had components made by either Turm, Desca or Tysca
    Peter
     
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    okay
    turm 36 is "narrow" - I saw enders "duo" narrow
    where was produced "wide" ?

    second...
    at what times?
    BRD - DDR
    In My mind - Desca was from DDR...(?)
     
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    "wgat time" - well Turm was produced by Meyer & Niess in Hamburg-Billstedt between 1910 and 1968. The machines and tools were sold to Iran and there production continued till around 1980 +.
    Enders company still excists.
    Desca was GDR - so maximum 1990 most of the companies, except BAT which now is partly still alive beeing HPV still producing spirit stoves.

    I would say your stove might be 70`s. - or late 60`s but not older.

    I`m sorry, I don`t know anything about narrow and wide?!?

    Peter
     
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    I am talking about dimensions

    narrow was as turm
    wide - is "my" enders
    desca was shorter then turm

    Was any cooperation OST-WEST in stove theme?
     
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    wide and narrow
     
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    Well, many companies in West-Germany bought parts or complete systems in former GDR. Even big Warehouses had many GDR products that they sold. All kinds of, Washingmachines, Clothes, Furniture, Bycicles ... everytzhing was produced in GDR and sold in West-Germay, because of Devisen -- Money. That is the reason why after the re-union of east / west Germany so many big Companies run bankrupt.

    What I know from many recources is that Enders used components from GDR and Tchechoslowakia. Same Models just with their logo stamped in. Where the bodies where produced I don`t know. Maybe they made the bodies in West-Germany and assembeld here aswell or they received the complete stoves from abroad.
     
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    OK, the measurement of a Desca is 36 x 22 x 11 cm

    measurements of Turm I don`t know
     
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    once again thanks
     
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    Obviously they exist, here is mine, exactly the same. Bought in Sweden.

    Bo

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