Hammerite rust remover and phosphoric acid

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  1. Twoberth

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    These have been used before for rust treatment of tins, but I used them consecutively (12 hours for each), and I am very pleased with the results.

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    It could be dangerous to mix them together, but they work great one after the other with a cold water wash in between.
     

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    @Twoberth
    That’s a fine result. I’ve used the Hammerite for that task but not phosphoric acid too. I’ve supposed that that’s what the Hammerite mostly consists of, though I’ve not checked the label.
     
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    Ahh, thanks George.
     
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    I use it. It’s great.

    Tony
     
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    Nice result.there @Twoberth. I have the Hammerite, but yet to actually find a phosphoric source. I think I looked a while ago but can't remember the link now. I've several waiting patiently for me to get my act together.
     
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    coke for phosphoric acid, the cheaper stuff is fine

    coke was used to clean out clutches in rally cars so it must be good for you...

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    Cheers @ally, I'm off to check the large stack of Diet Cokes we have. Thought it might be a little too agressive for just rust conversion purposes and I'm not sure if anyone has mixed wallpaper paste with it either.
     
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    Courtesy of my local Ye Olde Hydroponics Shoppe.

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    85% phosphoric, 250ml for £3, which should last a little while.

    @kerophile I'm aware the GSR was citric based, but is there a recommended dosing strength for phosphoric? Eg 1/4 pint of paste to table spoon of 85% acid. I appreciate the time factor for varying strengths, eg painting on undiluted may take 10 mins, but a 20 to 1 in paste could be left for say 12 hours as @Twoberth did.
     
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    I bought 5 litres of 85% phosphoric acid off t'internet for under £20 in 2017.

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    I immerse stove tins in it in a large washing-up bowl. I diluted it only so that I could fully immerse Optimus 111 and Shinabro 340 size tins, so I probably made about 8 litres at about 50%.
    An overnight soak does the trick.

    I have used it on 25-30 tins by now, topping up as necessary. It is likely to be only 40% by now but it still works fine.

    Incidentally, I bought it from a company called 'solvent-shop' which is no longer trading (insolvent?!), but there are many other suppliers.
     
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    Ta @Twoberth, my concern was it being possibly being a little too aggresive. Having had a bad experience previously with tin cleaning, I'm now very cautious. Damage that can't be undone isn't a situation I want to find myself in again.

    i have one particular project in mind which you have now given me confidence in tackling.

    Actually come to think of it I have a good practice piece. The Packaway tin missing it's stove. :) Pics to follow.
     
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    Hi @Simes I have never used Phosphoric acid with cellulose wall-paper paste. I find the Phosphoric acid pretty “sticky” as is on flat surfaces.

    I am also unsure of the potential chemical reaction between cellulose and a strong acid!

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    Kerophile

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    Thanks George @kerophile For some reason I'd thought the GSR was Phosphoric based. Obviously confused between threads long ago.

    I'll do a trial run on the sample piece and see what happens. I'll try to remember to take notes. If dunking in 85% doesn't strip everything as the stuff I used last time did then I feel a bit happier.