Hipolito No 0 - Stove Recent purchase

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  1. BJS1

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    Hi All,

    This past week-end I visited a boot sale to the north of Aberdeen and was delighted to find a Hipolito No 0 at one of the vendors. The stove appeared to be very new and was possibly used once or twice. When I looked at it carefully I began to think that this was possibly one of the last stoves produced prior to the plant ceasing production circa 1999. The stove was identical to one I had seen recently but the box had two features that made it different:

    1) There was no clasp holding the lid on to the base of the box as this was achieved by the use of a protruding projection on the lid locking into the ridge along the base.

    2) The company logo on the end of the box was given as "CASA hipolito, Lda." and this was different to boxes I had viewed on this forum.

    Anyhow it would be good to know if this was one of the last.
    The stove cost me 20 GBP but it is a beauty and I feel it was very much worth it. I have included three piccies for interest and would welcome any feedback re age.

    All the best, Brian

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  2. Bom Bom Bom Bom

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    I've no opinion on date as I'm not overly familiar with these stoves having just one example myself. But it's a lovely clean example. For £20 it's a bargain.

    Cheers, Graham.
     
  3. kerophile

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    Hi Brian, lovely, good quality, stove and a snip at £20.

    On the points you raised, This stove has the same CASA hipolito Lda as your model:

    https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/11546

    I believe that your stove box could be missing a top hinged securing strap which should engage onto the front seam on the base of the box. You can see the form of this "strap-type" retainer in the first photo in the above link and on this differently marked (CASA hipolito SARL) Hipolito No.0 outfit:

    https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/15536

    Best Regards,
    Kerophile.
     
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    Hi Brian, OK I visited the local Archive to examine some Hipolito No.0 boxes. Here are photos of four of them:

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    As you can see all four of these boxes are marked CASA hipolito SARL.

    Two of the boxes retain their securing clamp:
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    Whilst two have unfortunately lost theirs:

    1350922946-Hipolito-No.0-tins-7.jpg


    These boxes and stoves look rather older than your model so perhaps your was one of the last....

    Hope this helps.

    Best Regards,
    Kerophile.
     
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  6. mr optimus

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    Hi Brian well done there on a brilliant addition to your collection,and what a bargain you got,
    I agree with you it has only been used once or twice,and the tin box is in prestine condition except for the clasp to hold the lid shut.
    Hipolito stoves are very nicely made and good quality,with very nice tank engraving
     
  7. Bratok_xxl Russian Federation

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    Nice stove and Fun tin =)
     
  8. BJS1

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    Kerophile, thanks for your guidance with regard to the top hinged securing strap. Of course you are spot on.
    I followed up on your link to on Portugese Company Law and the differences between a corporation (SA) and a Limited Liability Company (Lda).Fascinating stuff.
    I am probably well off the mark but get the feeling that a large group that had initially owned Hipolito as an (SA) had hived the business off to some private individuals who had continued to run the company on a smaller basis (Lda).This may have been due to less demand for the product and the knowledge that a tight group of individuals can sometimes successfully turn round an ailing business into a profitable concern. If so I hope they at least made some money before closure.
    Anyhow this is all conjecture. It's a pity that we don't have a Portugese contributor who can possibly add a bit to the history.
    Yours Aye, Brian
     
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    Hi Brian, your suggestion about the transition from SA to Lda for Casa Hipolito is entirely reasonable and appears consistent with the somewhat erratic path of the company during the 1990s.
    Note the comments that Ross makes:

    Casa Hipólito SA
    Based in Torres Vedras, Portugal, Hipolito produced a quality range of stoves & lamps. Production became sporadic throughout the late 1990's with the factory finally closing in 1999.

    Did you notice that the instructions for the Hipolito No.1 which I posted this afternoon are still labelled Hipolito SA with a likely date of 1994?

    We need to some more research.
    Best Regards,
    Kerophile.
     
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    Hi-does anyone know if the fettle box has a seal kit including pump cup that'll fit the Hipolita 0? I picked this stove up a couple of years ago, and it appears to have been roughly soldered round half of the base underneath. Does this stove have a history of leaks from the base does anyone know? I've also a SVEA 5 and an Optimus 45 still to be restored. Thanks for any advice you can provide about the Hipolito.
     
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    Bigyin

    I have a Hipolito No 0 which is solid as a rock even though it was pretty rough when I picked it up (see post in the Gallery).

    The 14mm cup in Fettlebox B (and A) is the correct one for this stove. Kit B is the closest fit for some of the seals and washers, but I made my own filler cap washer because it is 18/7 od/id, and I made lead washers for the burner.

    Cheers

    Tony
     
  12. kerophile

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    Hi, here are some recent photos of a Late model Hipolito No.0, courtesy of Keith:

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    As you can see the case is marked as "CASA Hipolito, Lda." which was a later incarnation of Hipolito.

    Best Regards,
    Kerophile.
     
  13. z1ulike

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    Very nice stove. Surprisingly the "H" in Hipolito is silent - Pronunciation: (ee POE lee toe). A quick web search came up this explanation of the origin of the name Hipolito. Interesting (at least to me).

    Hipolito, Spanish and Portuguese name of Greek origin. "Hippo" means "Horses" and the second part "lytus" "loosen/destroy" and means, more or less, "Destroyed by Horses." This comes from the story of Hippolytus who scorned the love of the lady god Phaedra. She retaliated by spooking his horses. He fell and was drug to death by his chariot. Far from having a negative association, it was also believed that Artemis asked Asclepius to resurrect the young man since he had vowed chastity to her and a following grew around him and his story.

    Ben
     
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    That describes the Greek origin of the name Hipólito (Christian name of the company founder perhaps?) but with no relevance to the stove of the Greek meaning of the name ... 'Destroyed by Horses?'

    For that you've to consider the company's chosen logo of a seahorse, Latin name for which is Hippocampus, which suggests a nod to the company name from the Latin roots of the creature depicted in their logo rather than a literal translation of the Greek roots of their name itself.

    John
     
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    Thanks John, that makes much more sense. The Latin name for seahorses. Now why didn't I think of that?

    :rage: Ben
     
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    You beat me to it John.

    z1ulike's explanation is interesting, though I can't quite work out how the chariot of Hippolytus killed him using drugs.
    As for the silent 'H', in the UK we usually pronounce it.
    The US have 'erbs but in the UK we have herbs.
    In Portugal and the US the company may be pronounced 'ipolito, but in UK English I think it is Hipolito.
     
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    I have done a bit more research on CASA Hipolito and found this. It seems that CASA Hipolito became a ‘Lda’ in 1944 and later became a ‘SARL’ in 1972. So tins marked ‘CASA Hipolito SARL’ were made after 1972, and tins marked ‘CASA Hipolito Lda’ before 1972 and not the other way round.

    There may be some ‘Lda’ tins used after 1972 to use up old stock.
     
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  18. kerophile

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    Hi @Twoberth Have you considered that Hipplito might have reverted to Lda from SARL at some time before factory closure in 1999?
    Production was much reduced and the stove section might have been operated as a stand-alone business in the final few years.

    Best Regards,
    Kerophile.
     
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    Hello @kerophile.
    Yes they may have reverted back to Lda, as the final years were a bit turbulent. I will look again to see if I can find any documentation.
     
  20. Ed Winskill

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    "Hipolito" is a not-uncommon Spanish and Portuguese name, derived from the Greek Hipolytos. I have always thought it to mean "freeer of horses", not "destroyer of horses". Looking it up quickly again, I think I'm correct. A rather more positive cognomen!