Is this WW1 issue ?

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  1. Avro Canada

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    Greetings from Canada...

    Hello everyone, I’m a new member to the site, so please excuse my ignorance as Im just now learning about these wonderful old camp stoves.

    I discovered this Optimus 00 on our local swap & shop website. I have other more modern stoves that I use on canoe trips, but this one must have a lot more history behind it.

    Can anyone confirm that this could be military ? Where is the best place to find a proper pump knob ?

    Any help or information would be greatly appreciated as I intended to make it function once again.

    Can anyone tell me the age ?
    It has “bun” feet. A035E30D-5C87-4236-A8B7-18ABC0CD7683.jpeg DFC1C0B0-9987-4E02-B8CA-EED268EBB107.jpeg 4AFD1745-DA87-4A18-866C-2223B8714A3E.jpeg BE522FB2-0ABA-47F1-B726-A411401105CB.jpeg 0A316C97-DF08-42D5-84D5-80C8D1904E20.jpeg A035E30D-5C87-4236-A8B7-18ABC0CD7683.jpeg DFC1C0B0-9987-4E02-B8CA-EED268EBB107.jpeg 4AFD1745-DA87-4A18-866C-2223B8714A3E.jpeg BE522FB2-0ABA-47F1-B726-A411401105CB.jpeg 0A316C97-DF08-42D5-84D5-80C8D1904E20.jpeg

    Thank you - Avro.
     
  2. igh371

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    @Avro, first congratulations on a very nice find. These tin outfits were the first incarnation of the Optimus 00, and this seems to be a very original condition find, even an original period burner. Bun foot Optimus 00 were available from before 1911 until just after 1920 judging by the catalogues in the Reference Library.

    As to your title question 'Is this WW1 Issue?' The answer is not straightforward. It obviously could be WW1 period, or just before, or just afterwards. It wouldn't have been military issue, but some officers did buy small tin outfit Primus and Optimus stoves for their own personal use, so again a WW1 link is possible, but without a family history story probably impossible to prove.

    Your stove is most likely dates from very late WW1 or just after. The earlier ones had a different, all through, pump tube assembly which is shown in this post.

    Ian:thumbup:

    Here is link to the presentation of this stove in a c.1917-18 Optimus catalogue.
     
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  3. cottage hill bill

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    @Ayro, @igh371, Avro has given you a very good answer. Up until WWII British and most Commonwealth officers had to supply their own equipment from uniforms to sidearms and everything else. There were a great number of stores and merchants who specialized in supplying officer's with their gear. There was an organization called the Army & Navy Co-operative which was a department store for officers selling everything to furnish a house plus other stuff. Items bought by officers were known as "private purchase" items to distinguish them from issued items. I have a reprint of the 1939 Army & Navy catalog which does list Primus stoves. They were not ever issued by the British, or to the best of my knowledge Canadian army. There were significant differences in gear between British and Canadian forces especially early in the war. If it were Canadian issue I would expect it to be stamped with a broad arrow /|\ mark surrounded by the letter C which was the Canadian government property mark. Most likely private purchase as there are many pictures of Primus style stoves in use in the field in WWI. Great bit of kit.
     
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    Thank you gentlemen.
     
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    Welcome to CCS @Avro

    A very nice find. Congratulations :thumbup:

    You can try contacting base-camp.co.uk for the missing pump parts.
     
  7. cottage hill bill

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    @Spiritburner Ross, thanks for those links. I had forgotten about the first one and hadn't seen the second. Still not totally convinced. Of the two I would accept the first with markings on the box as being legitimate, although whether military or not is still in question since the /|\ is not limited to the army, it is just a mark of government ownership (granted, most closely associated with the military). The second is very suspicious to me. In 50ish years of collecting British and Commonwealth militaria I've never seen a soldered on tag to carry the broad arrow. They would simply have found the sturdiest spot and used a hand held stamp. I suspect a previous owner added the tag to up the resale price. I would love to find an unimpeachable source of issue by the military whether it be a clearly marked stove or a contract for purchase.
     
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    The War Office specifically for this period. :thumbup: