Monitor express lipstick burner replacement

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  1. Paraffinhead United Kingdom

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    I've discovered my Monitor Express lipstick burner has a split in the end where it has been previously peened whick explains its flaring. Does anyone have a source of replacement lipsticks please - used, NOS or copies? A normal 17B lipstick fits but the stove doesn't sit properly in the case.

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    @Paraffinhead Could you provide a photo of it Paul? I’d be interested to see the damage and am willing to fix it for you - no charge.

    I’ve always considered ‘peening’ as a bit of a bodge. It can work, for a time, to restore an enlarged jet orifice to somewhere near correct specification but in doing so thins and work-hardens already thin metal so a split isn’t surprising.

    John
     
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    I've silver soldered a tip when I opened up a hole while pushing out a caved in burner. I have so many stoves, my peened lipsticks don't see much use.
    Duane
     
  4. Paraffinhead United Kingdom

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    Many thanks John, here’s a pic. As you can see, the tip seems to have cracked where a previous owner got a bit too keen to peen
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    That can be repaired, even I was able to repair a split worse than that.
    Duane
     
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    @Paraffinhead Certainly fixable - vapouriser tip polished, short piece of hypodermic needle of 0.23mm bore inserted, silbrazed flowed over the tip, needle insert trimmed, tip re-profiled and polished.

    I’ll send you a message with my address.

    John
     
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    @Paraffinhead
    Took delivery of the vapouriser. I see what you mean, peened to death!

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    I cleaned the tip with a wire brush in a Dremel

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    Though the peening had split the metal the jet orifice was still oversized. That’s a 0.32mm pricker, when only a 0.23mm pricker should fit.

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    24-gauge hypodermic needle inserted, reaming its own hole by twisting it between finger and thumb, thanks to its chamfered (sharp!) tip. @Tony Press contributed that elegant refinement - I was drilling the orifice out with a microdrill corresponding to the outside diameter of the needle.

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    Silbrazed. In one operation the needle insert was secured and the split and irregular hammered contour of the vapouriser tip was rectified.

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    Excess needle trimmed, tip cleaned up.

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    Just visible, the stainless steel needle core. The tiny ‘holes’ are bubbles in the molten silbraze.

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    Tried out on THIS Monitor.

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    John
     
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    Brilliant repair, as always.
     
  9. Paraffinhead United Kingdom

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    That looks (and works) superb - great job & ready for another 50 years or so
     
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    Wowzer!
     
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    @Paraffinhead Did me a favour actually. I fired up the Monitor with my vapouriser and the jet orifice was enough oversized to produce yellow tips to the flame. My standards for stove performance must be more picky than when I got that one ten years ago!

    Same process. Notice how the spirit cup is larger on the earlier production models as this one is.

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    Light levels had dropped since I photographed yours fired up. Blue flames red metal more obvious consequently, but same output.

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    Please may I ask a query on this, Why do people Peen the lipstick burners, is there a specific reason to do it ?

    thanks
     
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    Hi @Neil_scott “lipstick” burners were intended to be a consumable item. Once the jet aperture became too large, with a resulting inefficient fuel-rich flame, you would buy a replacement. However, spare lipsticks are now essentially unobtainable.

    With other burner types, such a the multi-tube designs, you can buy a replacement screw-in jet when the existing aperture size became too large.

    “peening” of the tip of a worn-out lipstick burner is a “quick and dirty” way of shrinking the aperture back to the specified diameter ( 0.23mm) for half-pint stoves.

    More recently CCS member “Presscall” has pioneered the clever technique of brazing a suitably sized hypodermic needle into worn lipstick apertures to bring burners back to useful life.

    Best Regards,
    Kerophile.
     
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    @kerophile Many thanks for that detailed explanation, that is very useful to know, I have a very old half pint stove with a lipstick burner which appears to be in good order but it needs cleaning and checking before I fire it up so its good to know that there is an option to repair should the burner fail. I never realised the lipstick burners were a consumable item but it makes sense as they dont have a screw in nipple.

    I read through the previous messages and saw that Presscall had developed the method you mentioned but didnt realise it was open for others to have their burners repaired. Its good to know.

    Thank you very much for that.

    Neil
     
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    Wow! Great fettle as usual. I wish I could do half what you do half as well.