Norma No.51 spirit stove

Discussion in 'Norma 51' started by presscall, Jul 8, 2011.

  1. presscall

    presscall United Kingdom Subscriber SotM Winner

    Offline
    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2009
    Messages:
    8,262
    I couldn't resist re-staging a photo from this 75-year-old Norma (Barthel) catalogue of spirit stoves, featuring a Norma 51 spirit stove

    1936 (approx) Norma/Barthel spirit stove catalogue


    1310163057-1.JPG


    1310163065-2.jpg


    The components were in good shape, the frame was sound but responded to a de-rust here and there and a re-spray

    1310163078-3.JPG


    The filter was predictably shot, so I made a new one. A two-wire core held in a vice at one end and the chuck of a hand-drill at the other and twisted at a slow speed. The filter medium is eight strands of fire-proof fibre from a woven soldering mat, twisted lightly round the core and tethered at each end with a tightly-bound fine brass wire (from a Rioja bottle)

    1310163089-4.JPG


    I was stunned by the quality of the components, the burner and fuel tube beautifully constructed

    1310163102-5.JPG 1310163131-6.JPG


    Nice touch, a tapered thread here, requiring no sealing washer

    1310163152-7.JPG


    A perfect brass sphere

    1310163180-8.JPG


    Prior to the late 1920's, 'Made in Germany' had to be stamped on German products imported into Britain. The authorities thought that supposed British distaste for anything from a county they had so recently been in terrible conflict with would curb demand. They miscalculated - the British appreciated the quality of German goods and the 'Made in Germany' enhanced sales. By 1936 an enforced stamping of 'Foreign' on imports was a revised attempt to hit sales, which didn't work either

    1310163220-9.JPG


    Quality indeed

    1310163256-10.JPG


    Very controllable and surprisingly powerful full-on

    1310163275-11.JPG

    1310163300-12.JPG


    Works well. Time for a brew

    1310163326-13.JPG

    1310163351-14.JPG

    1310163365-15.JPG


    John
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Jul 1, 2015
  2. Spiritburner

    Spiritburner Admin Subscriber

    Offline
    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2004
    Messages:
    10,082
    Location:
    N.E. England
    You've lost it John - totally! But with style!!

    That is excellent.
     
  3. RonPH

    Offline
    Joined:
    May 1, 2009
    Messages:
    5,871
    Close enuf :)

    Ron
     
  4. cazna

    Offline
    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2009
    Messages:
    273
    What a great stove, I just picked up this Austral GG stove, Austrailian made, Cast iron, It needs a good clean up which i will do one day but seems quite large for a stove of this type, I tryed it out and its not running very well but looks to put out a large flame pattern.

    1310167640-DSCF2422_opt.jpg
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Jun 26, 2015
  5. nzmike

    Offline
    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2005
    Messages:
    2,955
    Lovely stove! :thumbup: I had a Turm 38 I quite liked, but I always wanted one of the 'tank on top' types. Very elegant!
     
  6. threedots New Zealand

    Offline
    Joined:
    Sep 2, 2006
    Messages:
    741
    Another great stove, fettle and tutorial John.
    The gravity feed meths stove can be surprisingly powerful especially with a clean/new wick.
    Very good reading indeed.

    Hello cazna. You will probably find that the wick will usually be the problem with those type of stove, and the stove burner being cast iron, looks like it would take a fair bit of preheating to get it hot enough for the alcohol gas to burn blue when first starting. They also shouldn't be turned up until the burner has gained enough heat after running it for awhile. Another problem could be that the wrong fuel(say kerosene) was used in it by a previous owner. Something to check is whether the burner needs cleaning through from rust oxide dust and sooting. Cheers
     
  7. cazna

    Offline
    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2009
    Messages:
    273
    Heres your old Turm 38 Nzmike, And an Adler Kocher.

    Thanks for that threedots, The Turm 38 needs a fettle as well, It has a pre burner flame, Interesting set up.

    Sorry the pics are not even close to your amazing standard Presscall, You really set the bar.
    1310189244-DSCF2412_opt.jpg
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Jun 26, 2015
  8. presscall

    presscall United Kingdom Subscriber SotM Winner

    Offline
    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2009
    Messages:
    8,262
    They're just different, cazna, and show the stoves in the hallowed setting of the fettling workshop, which is a privilege to see ...

    Nifty with a camera maybe, but I failed miserably in attempting to translate the leaflet I mentioned

    Norma spirit stoves leaflet

    I could guess that the second page, with the stoves in use, was 'selling a lifestyle', to convey the fact that you didn't just buy a stove, but bought into the way of life depicted in the photos.

    I was even able, with the help of Google translator, to establish that the stoves were smokeless, odourless and burned with a "beautiful blue flame".

    This bit had me baffled at first, though

    'Norma' ist der beste Kochgehilfe, er gehört in jeden Gasthof ...

    (Norma is the best cook's assistant, it belongs in every inn/guesthouse ...)

    By misreading 'gehört' as 'gehurt' and omitting the umlaut (two dots over the vowel) the translation read,

    "Norma is the best cook's assistant, he plays the whore in every guesthouse ..."

    John
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Jul 2, 2015
  9. loco7stove

    loco7stove Subscriber

    Offline
    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2010
    Messages:
    1,396
    Hi John

    As if i have'nt got enough stoves :doh: without you tempting me to invest in more :shock: :D :D :thumbup:

    Still, seriously nice Norma alky burner :mrgreen: 8) 8) :thumbup:

    Best regards Stu :D :thumbup:

    PS as for the bad translation ,get it where you can i say :lol: :lol: :lol: :thumbup: & there's no smoke without fire :shock: :D :thumbup:
     
  10. presscall

    presscall United Kingdom Subscriber SotM Winner

    Offline
    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2009
    Messages:
    8,262
    Hi Stu

    I think you said you'd a hundred, including lanterns and lamps, at the last count!

    Fair enough, sez I.

    John
     
  11. nzmike

    Offline
    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2005
    Messages:
    2,955
    That wee Adler is well spiffy! The tank hides underneath for travel? The Turm made gallons of coffee for me over a few years via my stainless Bialetti that's still in daily use. :thumbup:
     
  12. presscall

    presscall United Kingdom Subscriber SotM Winner

    Offline
    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2009
    Messages:
    8,262
    You mean like the arrangement on the Turm Sport?

    Turm Sport 'flip

    No, the Norma's more basic, nzmike, and the tank's fixed. It's meant for travel, judging by what it says in that catalogue, but emptied of fuel.

    John
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Jul 2, 2015
  13. presscall

    presscall United Kingdom Subscriber SotM Winner

    Offline
    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2009
    Messages:
    8,262
    Sorry, you meant the Adler

    1310224687-22.JPG

    1310224616-16.JPG

    Yes, the tank folds under ...

    1310224671-19.JPG

    ... with this arrangement

    1310224635-17.JPG 1310224651-18.JPG


    Unlike the Turm Sport, that manoeuvre can only be done without fuel in the tank and the joint's fiddly to seal hand-tight.

    In use, the lack of clearance between the priming pan/burner and work surface makes it necessary to make sure the latter's heatproof ...

    1310224711-20.JPG


    John
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Jul 2, 2015
  14. mr optimus

    mr optimus Subscriber

    Offline
    Joined:
    Oct 4, 2007
    Messages:
    2,222
    Hi John as all ways a outstanding restoration job and brilliantly documented and photographed.
    You have a realy nice spirit stove i must say how good the flame control is on it from full to a very low simmer and looking at the close up shot of the flame patern it looks just like the flame patern on home gas stove once again John well done indeed
     
  15. weg69

    Offline
    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2011
    Messages:
    14
    Hi, my name's Reg and am probably the newest member here. Thought you might like to see a picture of my 'Aladdin 20', or so it says on the regulator knob. |imgRemoved| |imgRemoved|
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Jun 26, 2015
  16. weg69

    Offline
    Joined:
    Jul 9, 2011
    Messages:
    14
    Oops! sorry, haven't got to grips with this photo uploading yet!
     
  17. cazna

    Offline
    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2009
    Messages:
    273
    Hey i just noticed something with the Two Adlers, Presscalls has the fuel valve at the front which is great as it gives full control, But take a look at mine, At the top of the tank, See the main knob, Well thats the fuel control, its a long stem that goes to the bottom of the tank, The smaller cap is the fuel filler, If you remove the big cap to fill with fuel then it all runs out the bottom, This makes for very poor flame control as the main fuel stem is full of fuel and you cant just shut it off, It goes well but hopeless to control, This has had me baffled?? Can you guys see anything im missing here???? Please help if you can??
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Jul 2, 2015
  18. presscall

    presscall United Kingdom Subscriber SotM Winner

    Offline
    Joined:
    Aug 25, 2009
    Messages:
    8,262
    Yes, when I got the Adler I took a look at the one featured in the Stove Ref Gallery - Motoshi's - and realised there was that difference in the location of the control spindle

    Motoshi's Adler spirit stove

    From what Motoshi said in his post about the delayed-action response to the tank-mounted control, I'd say your stove's no worse than his, cazna, and suffers from an inherent design fault.

    As I've already said, mine too is a flawed design with the apparent benefit of a stowable tank, but only by unscrewing the tank-to-burner-pipe joint (spilling out any fuel residue in the process).

    John
     
    Last edited by a moderator: Jul 1, 2015
  19. cazna

    Offline
    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2009
    Messages:
    273
    Oh Right, Cheers for that presscall, That explains things, I though there was something i had missed, Still a cool stove, Just a shame the control is not like the touring turm.
     
  20. Arzak United States

    Offline
    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2018
    Messages:
    2
    Location:
    Tennessee
    I know this is an old thread but I was interested in what was the original filter material was. It looks like asbestos though it's hard to tell what it is from the photograph. The woven soldering mat was that a fiberglass mat. thanks