Optimus No.00L "Camper". Made in Sweden, Early 1990's. Un-used.

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  1. kerophile

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    Here are some photos of an unused New Old Stock (NOS) Optimus No.00L stove which I acquired recently:

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    Oops! Reached my image limit. More to follow.

    Best Regards,
    Kerophile.
     
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    Hi, here are a few more images of this Optimus No.00L stove:

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    As you can see this Optimus No.00L stove came in a unmarked red "Primus-style" stove tin.

    The lovely bright unused burner in marked "Optimus Sweden"

    However, the flame-ring is marked SWEDEN SWEDEN.

    The stove has a unmarked later form brass Optimus style windshield.

    The top of the tank is engraved OPTIMUS 00, MADE IN SWEDEN, in English and Arabic script.

    The base of the tank is marked OPTIMUS, SWEDEN.

    The spanner (wrench) is marked OPTIMUS, SWEDEN

    The Cardboard box in which the stove is packed is marked AB OPTIMUS Ltd. a Company which was not founded until September 1988, and submitted no accounts after 2003.

    This stove which came in a red tin box is marked "Made in Sweden" and is quite possibly one of the last Optimus 00 stoves actually manufactured in Sweden.

    There is no date stamp on the cardboard box. The labelling on the cardboard box says:

    OPTIMUS International

    AB OPTIMUS Ltd.
    Sanders Lodge Estate
    Rushden
    Northamptonshire, NN10 9BQ
    ENGLAND

    On-line checks show that AB OPTIMUS Ltd. was formed on 6 September 1988. Company Accounts were submitted until 2003 and the company was formally dissolved in 2008. Their Registered Office and trading address were in Wellingborough, Northamptonshire.

    In 1983 Optimus sold its factory at Upplands Vasby and outsourced its production. However, I am not clear whether some stoves were still fabricated in Sweden for a time, or if production was moved abroad immediately.

    The instructions and spares listing which came with the stove give the Sales and Service Dept. at Holcot Lane, Sywell, Northants. and the Head Office at 9 Albert St. Slough, SL1 2SH. Intriguingly, it says "A Division of Camping Gaz (GB) Ltd."

    Best Regards,
    Kerophile.
     
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    Beautiful!!!

    Thank you George,
    Ken in NC
     
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    Good Morning, George,

    That new 00 is a stunner, in all respects!! Thank you for sharing it with us, and for the very clear and concise report about what you know on it's history! Though I have several wonderful 00's, none of them came in their tins, except one from the 1930's, and I'm happy to have that. Nice to see those transitional stoves, and their lovely red tins. Thanks, again, for your report and photos. Excellent!! I hope you're getting some fishing time in, out on the water. Take care, and God Bless!

    Every Good Wish,
    Mark

    P.S. I've never seen a fuel cap/pressure release like your 00 has. What do you know about that, George? Any information about that type of cap?
     
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    Hi Doc, well spotted. I too have never seen a filler cap like the one on this Op.00L. It has a captive air-screw and the interior of the cap has a one-piece "rubber" moulding, rather than the annular rubber washer and a brass center piece of more traditional caps. I will provide some additional photos of the cap later, to show what I mean.

    I am a bit late in starting the fishing this year as I have just come back from a two-week holiday in sunny Chicago. It is a beautiful city and we enjoyed the visit.
    Best Regards,
    George.
     
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    I looked up that address on Google maps, seems as the building is now a Caterpillar remanufacturing facility, :-s
     
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    Wow! .... Just Wow!
     
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    well that made my eyes water--
    if you were in Chicago you should of driven over to Minneapolis!!it's just 7 hours of freeway and cow farms.
     
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    Hi Dave, sorry I didn't visit. You know how it is with city visits, an awful lot to see and do with the added complication of friends helping to set your calendar . Perhaps next time.
    Best Regards,
    George.
     
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    Hi Doc, as you noticed this late (post1988) Optimus 00 has a unique type of filler cap/air release valve. At least I have never seen one before and it doesn't appear in any of the Op.00 exploded diagrams nor parts lists.
    Here are a few photos:

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    The rubber is still supple and the cap seals well, so I am disinclined to dig it out to see what is underneath.

    Best Regards,
    Kerophile.
     
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    Hi, the pump on this late Op.00L stove has an "O" ring type piston mounted on a brass pump-rod. There is also a return spring:

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    Best Regards,
    Kerophile.
     
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    Hi, when I opened the tin of this late Op.00L stove I found two spanners (wrenches) rather than the expected one.
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    One of the wrenches was fine, but the other should have been in the factory reject bin rather than a stove box. There were sharp edges to the stamping:

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    This type of defect is usually caused by worn tooling on the press used to stamp out these items.

    I wonder whether the quality or inspection was falling off by the time (post 1988) when this stove was made? I also noticed that the finish of the soldering work on the tank was perhaps not as good as on earlier Op.00 models. There was over-run on the bottom seal and foot attachment points, and a few stray blobs of solder on the top of the tank.

    Just a thought,
    Best Regards,
    Kerophile.
     
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    Hi, Further research in the catalogue section of the Reference library section of the CCS site shows an Optimus International catalogue for approximately 1989/1990.
    The Co. Address is given as 9, Albert Street, Slough, SL1 2BH.
    In the thread, Ross says that "Optimus were at the UK address shown in the catalogue from 1990 to1995, according to Mike at Base Camp".
    So, the above Op. 00L stove is likely from this early 1990s period, and could therefore be one of the last produced.
     
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    Hi George, Seven years ago you had it right and have done an excellent job sharing details of this version (as you've done with sooo many specific examples :thumbup::thumbup:).
    It does seem that this is the last version of the 00. It has since been seen in '93 catalog .
    This ver. was not yet in an 1989/90 brochure (does not rule 1990 out (or in) and it's a brochure)
    On this version it's easy to note the unique cone shaped filler cap and "Optimus Sweden" on the bottom.
    Yours and other comments attach this ver. to 1989/90 and it possibly being the last version.
    In light of that and from all we've seen to-date,
    book end years for this version are
    c. 1990 to 1995

    (fwiw "early 1990s" in title also works for me (1st year being either 90, 91, 92 or 93). 88/89 "possibility suggested" but nothing confirmed as far as i know)

    It's the last version of the 00 :-$ , last offered in '95.
    (BTW It sure seems the same will apply to the version of the 45 w/matching details, with the 45 last being offered in '96).
    credit and thanks to Staffan source.
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    Additionally, consider, the hole in leg holder (/foot bracket) seen above @Sternenlicht also "just" shared that detail here . That may hold as a tank detail that is unique to this version?
    my thanks to you three, Bryan and to members that over the years have contributed to dating details of the popular 00.
    @kerophile FYI tag @Staffan Rönn
     
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    Thanks for the cross reference! Thats is exactly the same stove I have!
    The leg holder details, the bottom stamp, the unique filler cap and also the pump rubber* are the same!

    *I changed the pump rubber against a leather cup in my stove some time ago.

    Ciao, Bastian
     
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    Hi all,

    I was once told that the generic red tin box was a special for the UK market. The parts diagram and cardboard box print of kerophile's stove supports this.

    On other markets, where the 00 was sold without the tin box, the cardboard box was different during late 80's/early 90's and had the sunset paddler graphics (image below). I have one empty red tin box of this kind, and it is just too big to fit in the sunset paddler cardboard box so most likely Optimus UK (since 1988 acquired by Camping Gaz UK) sourced the yellow box locally.

    @kerophile - if you still have this stove in your possession it would be interesting to see images of the print on all sides of your cardboard box.

    BR/Staffan

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    Hi @Staffan Rönn I will have a look for the stove next time I am home.
    Best Regards,
    Kerophile.
     
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    @kerophile ,
    re your: "Staffan Rönn I will have a look for the stove next time I am home"

    I wouldn't go looking if I were you.

    : ) , :-k

    You are just that good.
    The box... you got that right 7 years ago too! :thumbup::thumbup:
    Above you already provide packaging detail and a link to the packaging and more detail, very interesting, that.
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    Staffan I had totally missed the packaging link initially as well.
    As you and kerophile already know, the yellow box this 00 came in is very different. Interesting.

    Pardon drift, meanwhile Optimus "yellow box" will sound familiar to many stovies.
    About that, this is a more common 00 box (care to give this box a nickname ?)
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    it is "yellow box" sort of, it is all yellow on one side, only. There is one hard dated to 1977 in gallery.
    Oh here's an example, the box with same _____ graphics & 1 all yellow side that accommodates a red tin.

    [ re paddler, box ... late 80's/early 90's .. . So paddler may be the version just prior to this "c. 1990 to 1995" version in this thread. We can pick up on that sequence another time and place. I will mention in the gallery is one paddler is hard dated 1982 ].
    carry on
    @Staffan Rönn
     
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