Petropyr 3A 'Sweden'

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  1. igh371

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    Well there are clones and there are clones - but to call your model "TYPE SWEDEN" is really pretty blatant. But where is it from? and when? The 'make' proclaims itself as being called "Petropyr" but I can find no references to this anywhere. There is no country of origin or any other markings on the tank base, pressure screw, pump assembly or the on the superbly chunky filler cap. All decently engineered with good quality heavy brass and some attention to detail, like the well formed little feet at the bottom of the rather long legs. I'm guessing at an origin in central Europe, in the 1920s or '30s. The right person to ask must be out there somewhere!

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    Hi, OK, I'll bite.
    My vote is for Russia, post revolution, say 1920s when pressure stoves were in high demand but they were trying to wean the population off their previous love affair with Swedish stoves. Five Year Plans and all that....
    Nice Stove, and I am envious.

    Best Regards,
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    Or maybe from Petrozavodsk? Home of our Russian member Bratok_xxl
     
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    Very persuasive thinking, George, sounds very plausible to me. The sort of 1920s Russian clone origin you suggest would certainly explain the determined use of Roman alphabet and the very prominent highlighting of the word 'Sweden', whilst carefully avoiding actually specifying the actual place of manufacture.
    If you are right I think it would most likely be pre-1928 as, in the political context of the launch of the 1st 5 Year Plan, I don't think Stalin would have had any truck with Western references any more. But Tula was one of the few places with the pre-existing facilities and skills to have taken on work like this before then; and it did remain a centre of Russian stove manufacture until at least the end of the Soviet era. I wonder what our Russian contacts will think of this?
     
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    I think it be made in Greece.
     
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    OK - seems pretty decisive - not Russian then, but why maybe Greece?
     
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    I see many names of stuff and ending of Greece words be a "PYR"
     
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    I have a nagging thought in my head linking this to Hungary. I can't think how, why or where, perhaps I dreamt it, but I'm sure I've seen that name or something very similar, not necessarily stove connected, with a Hungary connection. However, I've Googled every which way but can't come up with anything.

    Perhaps I'm going nuts.

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    Found some like this - A.B.PYRO FACIT №1

    Look at sign A.B.Pyro. May be PetroPYR - part of ABPyro patent stoves ?

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    Hello.
    It is really an old post but just for the history...
    I found you today trying to google search information about PETROPYR TYPE SWEDEN petrol lamp I found just today.
    It is exactly the same like igh371 one.
    Bratok_xxl was right! PYR means< fire >in Greek.
    PETROPYR was Greek company about 1930 and this lamp was a copy from the original Swedish one .

    Greetings from Greece
     
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    Hi, well That is interesting.

    petros = rock or stone
    Pyr = fire
    Rock or stone fire, perhaps.

    Petros= rock
    Oleum= oil
    Petroleum = rock oil

    Best Regards,
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    yes and (could be) no
    2in1 :)
    from petros = rock or stone -> is secondary meaning "solid"
     
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    Excellent new info. Thank you @Sotiris :thumbup:
     
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    Thank you guys.
    Im trying now to repair it now, as the fire head is missing . I found it to my grandfather 's ruined house.
    Actyally i am coins and folk art collector , but unfortynely this is not the suitable place to talk about.
    The first synthetic <petro> of course mean <stone> but actually in this case comes simply from <petrol> as first sunthetic . It is used frequently. For examble i can mention another recent Greek company named <petro-gus>.
    Also i would be greatfull if you could inform me how this balb was really working with petrol.
    Is it making steam with presure?

    Thanks
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    @Sotiris

    It will operate using kerosene (paraffin); not gasoline.

    The principle is to first heat the burner with methylated spirits, then pressurise the tank and the kerosine will vapourise in the burner.

    The vapourised kerosine will then burn like a gas.

    But you have to refurbish your stove first, and find the missing parts for the burner.

    Welcome. Feel free to ask any question.

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    Hi @Sotiris . I believe that the Petropyr stove was never intended for gasoline or petrol, but instead Kerosene or paraffin. It would be very dangerous to attemp to run the stove on gasoline.

    The stove operates by pressuring the fuel in the tank, using the air-pump on the side to inject air into the sealed tank, which has been pre-filled with kerosene to about 75% capacity.

    The fuel pick-up for the burner is dipping into the base of the tank, so fuel is pushed upwards, where it is vaporised in the tubes of the burner, exiting the jet as a flammable vapour, which burns and in turn vaporises the next fuel traveeling through the burner tubes.

    Fuel tank pressure can be increased by pumping in more air, or decreased by using a pressure relief screw, located just below the fuel filler cap. If all pressure is relieved the stove will extinguish.

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    Thank you all!!
    Maby I was wrong about the fuel.
    I know gasoline is very dangerous for all that stuff, so I thought about petrol. I dont know if parafine or kerosene could be found so many years before...
    I can not understant how all that similar pump stuff below work with gasoline.....
    Maybe they have a different structure because they need to work on high temperature........

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