Phoebus No.1 ( Germany )

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  1. dusan

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    Made in Germany = 1938

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    Hello,
    can you please tell me what is the correspondence between the letter / numbers and the year of manufacture? I have the same type of stove, but it is marked with u 11. Thank you in advance!
     
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    Hi @Allexx Phoebus stoves were never date-Coded in the way that Primus stoves were.
    The likely year of manufacture has to be estimated by comparing photos and/or drawings in dated catalogues or sales literature.

    In the case of Phoebus stoves we know that the stoves made in Austria were marked “Made in Germany” when Austria was annexed by Germany in 1938 , "The Anschluss", and formally became a State of Greater Germany.

    Your stove is marked “Made in Germany” so is likely to have been made after 1938 but before the end of WW2.

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    Kerophile.
     
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    Hi @kerophile ,
    Thanks for the information shared above. I need your help again... I'm looking for dimensions for the outer steel cover, the one with the holes. I searched but found only component codes and pictures, without dimensional specifications. The attached picture is the one I have. It is very clear that it is not the original one and the holes are not all the same size.
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    Hi @Allexx I do not have easy access to this German Phoebus stove.
    However I believe that it will operate well with the caps from a Primus or Optimus No.5 silent burner stove.


    Hi, here is an extract from an old post where I list the detailed dimensions of the burner caps from some common silent burners:

    Here as promised are the dimensions I took of some silent burner caps;

    Primus No.4 stove;
    Inner Cap = 33.5mmOD, but lip at bottom extends to about 35mm diam. Centre hole diam.= 16.3mm, Height = 14.5mm
    Outer Cap = 38mm OD, but about 40mm on lower lip. Height at max, the top is domed, = 24mm. 5 Rows of holes.


    Primus No.5 stove;
    Inner Cap = 39.5mmOD, 42mmOD on bottom lip. Centre hole diam. = 16.4mm. Max Height = 16mm
    Outer Cap = 44.6mm OD, 47mm on bottom lip. Max. Height = 26mm. 4 Rows of holes.


    Primus No.6 or No.25 (# 4142)
    Inner Cap = 44mmOD, 45mmOD on bottom lip. Centre hole diam. = 16.4mm. Max Height = 20mm.
    Outer Cap = 49mmOD, 52mmOD on bottom lip. Max Ht = 26mm. 5 or 6 Rows of holes.


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    Thanks Kerophile !
     
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    Is the diameter of the small holes missing or not known?
     

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    I am afraid that if I give you the hole diameter you wll then ssk me to count the total number of holes……
     
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    Primus Metal outer cap for Primus No.5 silent burner.

    64 rows of 4 holes per row = 256 holes.

    Hole spacing = 2mm OC horizontally and 3 mm vertically.

    Hole diameter = 1.18 mm
     
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    Hi Kerophile ,

    Thanks for all the information provided. I apologize for not being very clear from the beginning, what information do I need, to make my burner functional !
     
  12. Hromi Austria

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    Hello:

    I have a Phoebus #1, Tank marked H96 made in Austria with silent burner (shouldn't it have a roarer?) and
    a Phoebus #5, tank marked M44 made in Austria with silent burner but missing caps.

    For the lettering on the tanks. Nobody could give a list for number matching to year of production yet. All I assume/guess is that the letters and numbers increased over the production years.
    Mine: H96, M44 pre WW2. Yours Txx during WW2.

    My #1 came with the complete Phoebus silent burner made in Germany and a spare Phoebus burner with Primus cap. Outer caps are made of brass not steel.

    The dimensions of Phoebus and Primus caps:

    outer Cap:
    inner diameter: 43mm, outer 45mm
    inner Cap:
    outer diameter 40mm/41mm on very bottom
    diameter of hole 16mm.

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    Note the difference in the pumps, the older #1 has steel rod, while the #5 has brass rod. The #5 pump looks like your #1 pump.
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    The burners I got with the #1 have the Phoebus Logo, while the #5 misses that logo. All burners are makred with M on the bootom screw.

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    Hannes
     
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