Phoebus No 5

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  1. Fello Morocco

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    For my little collection of antique i have bought a Phoebus no 5 stove. Could you please help me to know the year of manufacture ?. Thanks in advance.
     

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    Hi @Fello Welcome to CCS.

    Perhaps 1930s. Have a look at these Phoebus No.1 stoves, the roarer burner sister stove to the Phoebus No.5:

    Phoebus No. 1 from 1920/30s

    Phoebus No. 1 - 'German' model

    Yours seems very similar to the "German" model above, but it is marked "Made in Austria'.

    You should post more photos of you stove to help with identification and dating!

    Best Regards,
    Kerophile.
     
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    Thank you for your answear. Here's two others pictures of the stove:
     

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    Hi Fello
    Your stove appears in the 1934 Phoebus catalogue, as Phoebus No.5, partly collapsible, as the legs and burner can be removed from the tank but the riser tube is permanently fixed. The code name of the stove is Otonk.

    Best Regards,
    Kerophile.

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    Thank you a lot sir for these informations.
    The code name of the stove is important ? Where can be use ?
     
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    Hi Fello, welcome on board!
    The name code was used for ordering stoves (and maybe specific spare parts) from the factory, to prevent making mistakes.

    Best regards,

    Wim
     
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    Reason for use of Code words,
    What Wim said : it gave unique identity of every model or major part. Plus, if you ordered by telegram, it was cheaper as you only pay for a few letters.

    Best Regards,
    Keropphile.
     
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    Hi @gieorgijewski . My “German” Phoebus No.1 also has the fuel warning:

    upload_2019-11-12_16-32-1.jpeg

    So these two stoves come from the same period of manufacture but Fello’s No.5 is clearly marked “Made in Austria”, so perhaps slightly earlier...

    Best Regards,
    Kerophile.
     
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    "NUR FUR (fuel type)" seems to be german internal market regulation
    if remember - "We" are talking about it - circa 1935/6...

    "MADE IN AUSTRIA" tanks produced before date 12.III.1938 was not prohibited
    more - production used old dies - after that date
    preparing new dies needs time
     
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    Thank you all for these precious informations. So the period of manufacture of this product is estimated between 1934 and 1938.
     
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    I don't think you can be as precise as that.
    I would say "from 1930s" as we do not have yearly catalogues so cannot say it was not available before 1934.
    However it is unlikely to be any younger that say 1939 or it would be marked "Made in Germany", or not made at all as all brass would have been reserved for munition making!

    Best Regards,
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    it is "only interpretation of reality"...
    in PHOEBUS subject:
    "nur fur petroleum" is connected with "GERMANY"
    what We see on many examples

    We are talking about example looks between
    pre - post anschluss
    ---------------
    side stamping was created in production (time/process)
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    here examples with added later shield
    [​IMG]
    for "that time" german market
    on "ready made" stove
     
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    Hi @Fello and @gieorgijewski

    gieorgijewski is more knowledgeable and confident than I am, and believes that because of the Made in Austria lettering on the tank, along with the "only for kerosene" marking (which is a feature of stoves intended for the German market) this is a Transition stove.

    Therefore we can narrow down the manufacturing date of the stove to perhaps a year around the time of the "Anschluss"

    Austria was annexed by Germany in 1938 , "The Anschluss", and formally became a State of Greater Germany.

    So, Fello, You have a great 1938/39 Phoebus No.5 stove!

    Best Regards,
    Kerophile.
     
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