Phoebus No.625 from the 1950s

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  1. kerophile

    kerophile United Kingdom SotM Winner Subscriber

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    Hi,here are some photos of a Phoebus No.625 I was using today. The graphics on the tin are outstanding....even if it is always the woman who is doing the cooking!

    There is a small tin included with the stove. This contains a spare jet and needle assembly and a new graphite packing.

    I received the original instructions with this stove. These were marked 16049...anyone know the significance of this code?

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  2. angleofdangle

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    Love the look of the Phoebus, so distinctive from other stoves.

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    Alan
     
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    Ah, they knew right from wrong in those days!
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    On the Høvik Verk tins there are only gents, hunting, fishing and smoking their pipe.:lol:

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    Didn't mean to hijack the post!

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    @kerophile
    I think your stove was made in the fifties.

    The earliest 625 I know have pump-knob and pump-lid made of aluminium. On the regulator knob the only text was "PHOEBUS Made in Austria". Also the square tins had no metal handle, but a cotton strap to carry. These metal handles were also used on 725 tins. Hard to say, when they appeared and disappeared again. The cotton strap was the better solution.
    After 1955 Phoebus Werke AG was sold to Austria-Email AG, but production went on. Later the NOVAK company was the trading agent who sold millions of Phoebus 625 stoves to several armies. The MJR Logo was still used.
    It is almost impossible to date the Phoebus products exactly. It's always a historical interpretation of circumstances between the few well known facts, which give something like a time line.

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    Hi @Radler many thanks for sharing your knowledge of these Phoebus stoves.
    Best Regards,
    Kerophile.
     
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    @kerophile
    Just seen this pic of a Phoebus 625 from some times after 1955, when MJR belonged to the Austria Email AG
    (Email is the German word for the hard, heathproof ceramic enamel, often used for heathers or bathtubs.)
    Second pic here: https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/phoebus-no-625.573/#post-928
    All papers are unreadable ](*,) but the regulator knob seems to have two lines of text and arrows as yours.
    Spare parts tin could be aluminium.

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  9. Dean

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    @kerophile
    Do you think it might signify the year of printing as 1949? I picked up one of these stoves yesterday with a worn remnant of the instructions leaflet containing the same code printed on a very course sheet of paper. I would say my stove might be older than yours as the tin did not have the wire loop handle or clasp and the printing on the control knob was much less, simply "PHOEBUS Made in Austria" - no on/off or cleaning directions.

    Were these intended as multifunctional roarer or silent burning? One in the SRG (JP2's?) has a triangular plate fixed in the burner bell. Mine just has the inner and outer caps for the silent burner.
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    Hi @Dean

    1. I believe that the printer’s mark is not a not a date code.
    See above post where @Radler commented on the difficulty of determining a time-line for Phoebus products:

    “It is almost impossible to date the Phoebus products exactly. It's always a historical interpretation of circumstances between the few well known facts, which give something like a time line.”


    2. I have always believed that the Phoebus 625 was intended as a silent burner stove.

    Best Regards,
    Kerophile.
     
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    Hi @Dean the Phoebus 725 was fitted with a roarer burner:

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    It is possible that the flame plate from a Phoebus No.725 could be retro-fitted on the burner bell of a Phoebus 625 to create a roarer burner. Who knows?

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    @kerophile
    Thanks. It was just seeing a three pointed plate in this post that had me wondering!