Primus 210L from mid-1960s. PTC

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  1. kerophile

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    I recently acquired this stove and have been doing some mild fettling.

    The stove is clearly marked as a Primus No.210 but to any knowledgeable stove-person it looks more like an Optimus No.00. This is because in 1962 Primus stopped production of all paraffin and petrol stoves and AB Optimus acquired the rights, from Bahco, to produce and market the stoves under the Primus trademark. The operating company was called PRIMUS TRADING AB.

    This led to a major rationalisation of the product lines of both companies, with some models being discontinued and others being re-badged to achieve manufacturing efficiencies and profit.

    So this particular Primus No.210 stove is a re-badged Optimus No.00

    Here are some photos:
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    I treated the tin to remove rust and preserve as much of the original graphics as possible:

    https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/primus-210l-from-mid-1960s-ptc.33582/

    The tank top is lightly engraved compared to earlier Primus 210 stoves, nevertheless we can see PRI MUS REGD TRADE MARK, MADE IN SWEDEN, and PRIMUS No.210. The base of the tank is engraved MADE IN SWEDEN.

    The burner is an Original Primus product and is marked both PRIMUS SWEDEN and in Arabic Text.

    The flame-ring is a "universal" PTC item and is marked SWEDEN SWEDEN.

    The reserve cap is "parked" on the top of the pump knob when not in use on the tank. The pump shaft is brass.

    The NRV is marked MADE IN SWEDEN and uses a one-piece "cone" fitting rather than a brass carrier and nitrile rubber pip. This cone was still supple so was re-used.

    The folding tank feet are the Optimus flat stamped design rather than the stamped and folded design used on earlier Primus No.210 stoves.

    The tank legs have Optimus-style bends at the top rather than the familiar Primus pattern

    The Instructions are generic Optimus-type instructions, in 5 languages, with cartoon illustrations. They are marked MADE IN SWEDEN, with no stove brand mentioned.

    The pack of three shaped jet prickers are contained in an envelope marked No.4605, and on the rear lists those Primus stove models the prickers are intended for. We also have printed: PRIMUS, REGD. TRADE MARK, PRIMUS TRADING AB, and UPPLANDS VASBY SWEDEN, the location of the OPTIMUS factory.

    The spanner is marked MADE IN SWEDEN.

    A hand written label on the tin has the pre-decimal price as 62 shillings (decimal GBP £3.10), which is consistent with the UK price for this particular stove etc in the mid-1960s.

    NOTE: the spirit can and improvised windshield are later replacements
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    To me this is an interesting stove as it illustrates the changes occuring in the liquid-fuelled stove industry at a key point in its decline.

    Best Regards,
    Kerophile.
     
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    Enjoyable, comprehensive post as ever George. Photo coverage is excellent, the commentary well-observed and informative.

    John
     
  3. kerophile

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    Hi, there is an excellent post by Bryan Miller @kaw550red , which gives some Primus stove prices over a period of many years in the UK here:

    https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/1939-75-blacks-primus-stove-prices.26842/

    If I try to summarise them, and translate the prices into UK decimal currency terms I get this:

    1939 GBP £ 0.60 Pr.210 outfit in cardboard box.

    1940 GBP £ 0.90 Pr.210 outfit in cardboard box.

    WW 2 and tight import controls.

    1955 GBP £ 3.22 Pr 210 outfit in Tin.

    1956 GBP £ 2.92 Pr 210 outfit in Tin.

    1961 GBP £ 2.42 Pr 210 outfit in Tin.

    1962 GBP £ 2.42 Pr 210 outfit in Tin

    1969 GBP £ 3.55 Pr 210 outfit in Tin

    1975 GBP £10.69 Pr 210 outfit in Tin

    Bryan discusses some possible reasons for the price changes over the years. For example:

    "There were at least two deliveries of Primus stoves to the UK in 1940 but the import of stoves was prohibited until at least 1950 so no foreign stoves should have been imported during that period. I think the embargo was lifted by 1952 but I am not certain exactly when it was lifted"


    "During the period of 1940 (I think) until 1964 the UK had Resale Price Maintenance. It was illegal to charge anything other than the price recommended by the product manufacturer during this period for new items so the prices can give you an indication of when the stove was sold which may not coincide with the date coding on the stove"

    "In 1962 Optimus obtained The Primus Brand name for liquid fuelled stoves and the prices coincided for the two brand names. Prior to that Primus stoves cost more than Optimus stoves sometimes by 30% for the comparable model."

    He also notes that in the 1961/2 catalogues Blacks, ".....the retailer may have had forewarning of the purchase of the Primus brand by Optimus. The Optimus and Primus prices for comparable stoves are the same, which resulted in an increase in Optimus prices, but a significant drop in the Primus prices."

    The huge jump in prices between 1969 and 1975 are the result of rampant, uncontrolled inflation in the UK during this time period.

    The Kerophile post above, features a Primus 210 (Optimus No.00 clone) produced after the formation of the Primus Trading Co.in 1962.
    The handwritten label on the box gives a price of GBP £ 3.10 which ties in with a stove priced in the mid 1960s.

    Best Regards,
    Kerophile.
     
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    Very comprehensive and well written post. Thank you George

    Ken in NC
     
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    hm... on tank is RFGD TRADE MARK
    what is it thats RFGD?
     
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    Hi @gieorgijewski REGD = Registered.

    The Trade Mark has been formally Registered to a particular Person or Company and cannot be used by anyone without the Owner’s permission.

    Best Regards,
    Kerophile.
     
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    lol
    low quality of the end of production:
    on an unused stove - desoldered leg, crooked adjustable burner, and errors in the inscription ...
     
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    interesting...
    it gives "new" look on brand...
     
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    I see the "E".
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