Primus No.4 1898-99 (approx)

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  1. Rangie

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    Here's a nice early-ish Primus No.4

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    It has a later burner (Pre-'34 deep-skirt with air-inlet holes, but not the original 132 fixed-ring/removable top-cap type), but otherwise original.

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    Looking at it I'm surprised how similar it is to my early No.0.
    So much so I would say they are contemporaries! :mrgreen:

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    General observations:
    • Pump tube is the fixed 1896-onwards internal NRV type.
    • NRV has a rounded end and large side vents, original cork pip was fine, it needed delicate cleaning but that was all.
    • The NRV threads at the bottom of the pump tube feel very marginal if you know what I mean. It was re-installed lightly with PTFE tape and seals OK but may need surgery in the future :(
    • Tube Cap is the F.W. Lindqvist Patent type.
    • Air-release thumbscrew is plain both sides.
    • The pump knob has been stamped with the letter "N".
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    Now to the nitty gritty....
    • Filler Cap has "B.A.HJORTH&Co." This puts it earlier 1896-99 but may be old stock?
    • The bottom stamp is the roundel type introduced in 1896 but there's uncertainty when it ran to, SRG examples run into 1911.
    • The spirit cup is the "Low" version (to aid self-starting). They are featured in the "High" position in the 1905 catalogue, but can be seen in the "Low" position by the 1907 Moeller & Condrup catalogue.
    • Pump rod is the type with the leather-backed/sealed pump head, seen in the 1905 catalogue, but missing by the circa 1907 catalogue.

    So I'm happy to assume a date range of approx 1905-07 for now, although the early cap throws it out a little, the fixed lower position and shape of the spirit cup seems to assume later.

    Unless of course the later spirit cup was fitted with the later burner, and this is an 1896-98/99 example? :?
    @igh371 , @Lennart F , @kerophile , any thoughts chaps?


    So, does it run? You bet :content:

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    Comparing notes...... (The No.0 was used for tea only yesterday :content:)

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    Cheers, pass the fruit cake..... :lol:

    Alec.
     
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  2. igh371

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    I think this could well be the case. This No.4 cannot be any later than 1905/7, but how much earlier could it be?

    Assuming that the filler cap is original there is a time window between summer 1898 and spring/summer 1899 when stoves would have been produced with the full combination of all of the features shown. @gieorgijewski has shown definitely that the designation 'Akt.bol.B.A.Hjorth' first appeared in use in late spring 1899 (see here).

    So the earlier version of filler cap legends seen on this stove would still have been in use until at least late spring 1899, and probably a few months longer depending on how long it took to use up existing stocks before those bearing the new 'AKT.BOL.' legend came through.
     
  3. Rangie

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    @Spiritburner could you amend the date in the title to 1898-99 please?
    I've convinced myself..... :lol:

    Alec.