Primus No.405 - undated, 1922 approx

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  1. presscall

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    Steel tank, 2 1/4 pints capacity. I’ve arrived at an approximate date by comparing the details with its illustration in THIS 1922-dated catalogue in the Stove Reference Library.

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    Three years earlier, the 1919 catalogue illustrated a No.405 with significant differences in detail, such as the filler cap and mounting arrangement, the air release screw position and the non-collapsible construction - fixed burner and legs/pot rests.

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    In the 1922 catalogue a colour illustration of the roarer burner version, the 401, depicts a gold-coloured pressed steel trivet, as I’ve equipped my restored 405 with.

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    Some details of the impressive embossed lettering on the fuel tank.

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    No date stamp on the base of a steel tank Primus.

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    The distinctive fixed feet, detachable pot rests.

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    Spot-welds evident on the pot rest mounting brackets.

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    R133 silent burner is correct for this model. It was missing from the stove and in THIS post in the Fettling Forum I described how I added the characteristic deep burner ‘skirt’ to a more recent Primus silent burner - so a reproduction and not an original R133.

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    Fuelled up and fired up.

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    John
     
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    Very nice John
    I wonder what the price difference was to its Brass brethren?

    (Never seen one before this!)
     
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    Wow, very nice, congrats. The embossing is indeed impressive.
     
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    @Harder D. Soerensen
    Good point about pricing Harder.

    It would be easy to assume it would be cheaper, but the heavy gauge steel, the welded construction and that well-defined embossing, requiring press-work and processes separate from the more mainstream brass fuel tanks suggesting price-cutting wasn’t perhaps the intention.

    It’s a very robust stove, a solid cooking platform. Possibly its selling points there. The catalogue refers to a galvanised tank interior, nickel plated outer, so more processes, more expense. Thoroughly rust-proofed therefore, so more should have survived if sales had matched the brassies. That’s what makes me think they weren’t cheaper (might even have been pricier).
     
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  5. MrAlexxx

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    That is a nice one John. Another one I think I need. lol

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    Thanks for a great presentation, John.

    I’ve yet to stumble across a steel Primus stove here in Australia.

    Tony
     
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    @Christer Carlsson
    Christer, I posted this under Primus ‘Other Models’ but I realise there’s already a listing heading for the No.405 and it should have gone there.

    Sorry if it’s bother to move the post/thread. I’d be content to have it remain as ‘other’ but I daresay it would help future researchers if it goes where it should.

    John
     
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    It's no bother John, and I have moved it now.
     
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    Thanks @Christer Carlsson

    @z1ulike
    Ben’s 1931 example of a No.405 carries a date stamp on the base.

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    Also, its layout has changed yet again. The collapsible feature has gone, a return to the 1919 pattern of fixed pot rests/legs and fixed burner riser. The silent burner is no longer a R133 and is the ‘modern’ pattern.

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