Primus No.51 stove date of manufacture

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  1. Four Smokes Wallup

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    Came across a nice No. 51 which had AL 18 stamped on the underside of the tank. Would this be of 1947 manufacture, and, what is the significance of the 18? Thanks for your assistance.
     
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    G'day Harry,
    Your correct AL is 1947 manufacture.
    The significance of the 18? no one knows for sure :-k
     
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    Thanks, gents!
     
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    A common use of numbers in that way in Swedish industry was to tell who made the final check before packing and shipping - I have seen like or subsequent numbers very often on same model of about same age that it seems to me it is the case with Primus.
     
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    Interesting hypothesis. I wonder if it is possible to contact Primus and ask their archivist if this is what was being done.
     
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    Do they have an archivist?

    I do believe this has been looked into deeply over the years.....
     
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    @Four Smokes Wallup

    The closest person(s) to a ‘Primus Archivist’ are on this forum.

    Cheers

    Tony
     
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    It seems that many people have searched for facts about it but never found documents or other facts - and I know most of them tried to find a timeline in the numbers that will not occur if it is a "control ID" that specifies a control station or a test inspector that can inherit an old number from a retired worker.
     
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    I would find it unusual for a company not to have an archivist or someone who collects/maintains company historical records.

    I’ve found this helpful with railway watches (Hamilton, Waltham, etc.), lever action rifles (Winchester, Browning, etc.) and other items produced long ago where questions remained about what was manufactured, options available. @Staffan Rönn providing Optimus memorabilia is one example in the Classic Camp Stove field.

    Even asking if such material exists allows for the hope that in the future it can be declassified for enthusiast use.
     
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    One of the many swedish bicycle makers have left a quite substantial production archive(maintained by ethusiasts) - the old weapons factory Husqvarna - most other did just leave the economic books behind.
    That's the case with most stove makers too.
     
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    At the first I will say that nowadays no one is interested in their company’s history.
    My experience is that after only a few years no one remembers anything.

    You must also know that the contemporary Primus/Sievert AB is not the same as the original Primus owned and operated by B. A. Hjort & Co. (Bahco).
    Optimus AB bought the liquid fuel part from Primus/Bahco in 1962.
    Primus/Sievert made only gasol (propane) equipment after that date exept that they started to make multi fuel stoves for some years back.
    Primus is making consumer products and Sievert is selling mainly to the industry.

    Michael
     
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    @cmb56 ,

    True, but I wasn’t talking just about persons. I was talking about records. Track down the records and then research them. It has been done with other items such as railway watches and lever action rifles. Why not stoves? Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
     
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    The only person I can think of is @Staffan Rönn that is the previous owner and CEO of Optimus AB, before the sale to Katadyn, that have a lot of original documents from Optimus and Primus.
    He uploads these once and avail here.
    I think he had already shared this information if he had known or found it.

    Michael
     
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    Hi @Four Smokes Wallup , Good Luck in finding the Archivist or Archives of Primus.

    In the meantime, here is the most definitive statement we have on the meaning of the numeral(s) which follow the year date code of Primus pressure devices from a certain period:


    This information is referenced to a Primus documents seen by “Conny” at Fogas, the major distributor of all things related to Pressure stoves in Sweden and the rest of Scandanavia:

    http://www.fogas.se/fotogenreservdelar/brannare/index.html


    Best Regards,
    Kerophile.
     
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    @Four Smokes Wallup

    I find it quite curious that you don’t think that the person or persons who have access to that material may not be here already, or, more likely, known by people who are here.

    By way of contrast, much of Coleman’s records are archived at an institution, but even then, there are significant holes in the archive.

    None-the-less, on the issue of the numbers adjacent to the date code, it would be great if they were unambiguously identifiable.

    Cheers

    Tony
     
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    Some years ago I contacted Primus about this very topic.
    I was told that they had no historical documents and that I should look for information on 'Classic Camp Stoves' ! :lol: