PROCATROи PROCATRON

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  1. Steve Gramger

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    This is a weird looking stove about the size of an Optimus OO, but check out the feet! It also looks like it may have been convertible to a lamp. Cyrillic text - maybe Russian? Any ideas out there? Thanks! If this works I'll try to get more images posted. Iipokatpoh.jpg
     
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    @Steve Gramger

    Can you provide photos of the text on the filler cap, release screw and burner?

    Cheers

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    Weird is right. Man, always something unseen before!
     
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    I like it...ALOT!!!

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    Here are a few more photos. Text on the burner is close to IIPOKATPOH (but cyrillic). Text on air valve translates to "Premus". I couldn't find any text on the tank. Note how the pot supports fit on a ring that lifts out of the collar, which unscrews from the tank. I think there may have been lamp parts that replaced the burner, but it's just a guess. Any info. or thoughts would be appreciated. S.G.

    ip1.jpg

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    edit update: ok, here's a big help for this one
    ПPОКАТPОH = PROCATRON

    credit and our thanks to: iani , david_lucian , and @gideon , link

    [ inserting cross reference примус = Primus ]
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    Thank you Steve !!
    just wow
    "... wierd looking..." i guess. You're sooo lucky to have it in hand (?), beauty is in the eyes of the beholder, she is a beauty !! A rare gem.

    *Unique and interesting in many ways.
    If that is well worn nickel plating ?
    Might it suggest all the parts appear to be original ?
    and
    I would have guessed a very early stove destined for Russia except nickel was not available on earliest of examples.

    As I viewed OP, the shoulder of the tank instantly had me think Bohlmark (I expect there are other makers too). It may have only the shoulder in common but, like the Bohlmark and scarce few others, it is unique (vs the majority of offerings with nearly identical construction and appearance).

    The entire top portion and that it is off-center, for me, seems a misfit but patina looks original? I'm stumped there.

    *solid feet, I do love the feet and they look original to me fwiw
    * shape of tank incl. the bottom and the tank seam
    * 4 feet vs 3
    * the top portion...
    … with LARGE threaded attach point.
    thx omc
     
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    in 1930
    ...Тульский Патронный Завод
    last week hunteed
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    in 1930
    Тульский Патронный Завод

    почтов. адрес: - г.Тула, абониментн. ящик № 37.

    телегр. - Тула-Прокатрон

    mean -in 1930 is the market name of TPZ
    then - it is impossibile - PROKATRON not existed pre IWW
    if remember - circa 1923 could be PROKATRON start exists
    but
    IMO - it is "frankie"
    thats type
    frankier.jpg
    with P parts
    btw - many JUPITER (russians) use P parts
     
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    thank you gieorgi although not sure I follow entirely this time. please, hold that thought (please?).

    @Steve Gramger , @gideon , @shagratork , @Tony Press

    we have
    > Steve's stove and
    > iani's stove in link.

    Gideon comments relate to both but source is from the iani stove:

    ПPОКАТPОH PROKATRON PROCATRON …"It's a simply the name of factory where this stove was made." and
    "One guy have digged the stove called "Procatron" in Tula. The year signed on it was 1925"
    [ btw, my impression, you are not saying Procatron maker? is part of Tula Works, correct? We see "TULA" on many stoves, not on these 2 ]
    All good stuff. So, "maybe just maybe?", we now have stove(s) that can be named / relocated to gallery > Russia?

    To all, Comments welcome and
    @gideon,
    What, in your opinion, is the name of the maker for one or both?
    (I did not want to assume Procatron if there is more to it than that?)
    thx omc and i'll have to catch up later.
    tag @Bratok_xxl @igh371
     
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    Thank you all for the information! It's encouraging that all this knowledge is out there. S.G.
     
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    There was a branch of Tula's factory called "Прокатрон" making different stoves like Primus prototype at 1920-1930yy. Now it is called "Завод "Штамп" имени Ванникова". It was before and now one of the biggest Tula's plant of cartridges, ammunition and artillery shells. There is very many ussr made kerosene stoves marked "ЗШВ" and "Тула" or "RAZNO". All of them made in ussr, Tula.
     
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    thank you both.
    My impression TPZ is one acronym for Tula Works at some time? and we consider maker is
    PROCATROи [ Прокатрон ] branch of Tula Works
    gieorgi, I was reading the loooong translated version of your TPZ link and did see mostly ammunition/cartridges. but...
    c1920s reference to Primus. In '38 is ref. to apparatus and "...After the war [WW2], the production of civilian products was mastered. … The plant was the largest producer of samovars in the country."
    Any ref. in link to "the plant", my impression, TULA Works is massive relating to multiple plants, there in were various brass stove production lines spanning decades.
    @Steve Gramger , all, Mystery solved???

    @shagratork ,
    With Steve's blessing might I suggest this post move from "Mystery" to
    gallery > Russia ?
    new title? PROCATROи PROCATRON
     
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    I think just cannot find this letter and stamped russian "и" changing "N"
     
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    gideon, I am +1 with your cyrillic Прокатрон
    and as for cannot find "и", or as I use it in PROCATROи ? that is the name we see on the stove. ? thx again omc


    text reference Тула = Tula
    [[ ??? Тульские работы Tula Works ??? ]]
     
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    @gideon have You ever seen PROKATRON on tank side?
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    I expect JUPITER PRIMUS No 1 Ju and Primus MODEL SWEDISH[​IMG]
     
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    When they put it into Latin letters, they just used their backwards "N", an entirely different sound....