well i finaly got my bernsomatic 4000 torch (great tip Doug) and made a puller out of a deep well socket and a bolt along with the pump cap off the stove in question. a optimus no.5 that looks like somebody used it for a cymbal. any way i got it out without desoldering the legs but i got a tiny bead of melted solder from the base. good news is i saved the nrv which had a cork pip. the pip holder has a tiny pin that comes off the center of the back end (spring side), about the size of a pricker wire. i dont know if i will get this back together but its good practice and i can use or trade the parts if i don't. pics comming tomorrow.