TRANSLATE help w/Russian to English

Discussion in 'Stove Forum' started by OMC, Oct 17, 2017.

  1. gieorgijewski

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    Two subject
    1 migratiion travel to touring stove time
    2 ZIW for me is like Arara 37
    This is one of many samples from early 50ties when russians start produced earlier germans products
    Known cameras bicycles motorbicycles
    First examples use original germans parts
     
  2. Scrambler

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    @gieorgijewski

    As I mentioned in another thread, German patents were declared dead at the end of the Second World War. So anyone, anywhere, could copy a German device. However, the wholesale removal of some manufacturing plants from East Germany helped the then Soviet industry, as did a belief that the ideas were "collective". I read recently that patents were reinstated in Germany in 1951, though how that worked 1945-1950 I don't know.

    The easy test whether the idea was stolen or legitimately obtained is whether the item was ever sold new in the West. Were Eastern Bloc stoves sold in the West?
     
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    German patents have nothing to russians post war production
    Germans production lines factories was reinstaled in ussr and use
    Earliest i know in1949
    Latest 1957


    Eastern stoves in the west
    Look at perfectus
    And post war german production
     
  4. OMC

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    thanks all, gieorgi,
    This is another post WW2 German related, oh boy.

    re "ZIW for me is like Arara 37"

    is that a typo, or is it for you ZIW?
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    all, please forgive me.
    ziv2zcut2.jpg Russian cursive, just like Ian answered in the first place :oops: and what y'all knew. I was wanting the Russian spelling, the letters (that don't exist on a keyboard, ok).
    misT.JPG yisY.JPG pisp.JPG bckwrdNisu.JPG cisc.JPG misT.JPG cisc.JPG kisk.JPG bckwrdNisu.JPG bkwrdnisuaccent.JPG

    т.......у.......р.......и.......с.....м.....с....к.....и......и́ ..... (but of course :^o )
    турисмскии́ = tourist
     
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    Nearly @OMC. One more step.

    The second cursive "m" letter is a T not an M.
     
  6. OMC

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    thank you, yes.

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    т.......у.......р.......и.......с......т.....с....к.....и......и́
    туристскии́ = tourist

    that's that.
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    Was ZIW a @gieorgijewski typo? or might variation of ZIV be considered?
    ziv3zcut (2).jpg
    which is where my curiosity began trying to determine the maker, along with much could be learned from SantelaS pamplet
     
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    Дата изготовления примуса
    Primus production date ("primus" means "stove")

    Подпись контролера ОТК и его номер
    Signature of the quality control department controller and his number
    (ОТК - Отдел Технического Контроля)

    Примус туристский
    Tourist primus (Tourist stove)

    In Russian a "tourist" is someone going to look at scenery/ art/ architecture OR someone who go hike.


    Капсуль
    Nozzle (Jet)
    In Russian, this word ("капсуль") almost always means a detonator in cartridges and shells. But sometimes this is the name for small cylindrical parts that are put on or inserted. As in this case.

    Винт предохранит. клапана (Винт предохранительного клапана)
    SRV screw

    Предохран. клапан (Предохранительный клапан)
    SRV

    Углубление куда
    заливается бензин
    для розжигания
    примуса

    Deepening where
    gasoline is poured
    to light (preheat)
    the primus

    Горелка
    Burner

    Кран горелки
    Burner faucet (Control valve)

    Футляр
    Case

    Крышка футляра
    Case lid

    Резервуар примуса
    Primus reservoir (Stove fount)

    ЗИВ - "ЗиВ" - Завод имени Ворошилова
    Voroshilov plant

    In 1956 there were six factories in the USSR, which bore the name of Voroshilov - five in Russia - in Voronezh, in Krasnoyarsk, in Omsk, two in Leningrad ("Zvezda" and "No. 174") and one in Ukraine - in Dnepropetrovsk. I do non know which of them made this stove.
    Perhaps there is at least the city of the manufacturer in the instruction?


     
  8. OMC

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    @Aleks-S :clap::clap::clap:
    very good, thank you so much.
    it is work today but i will follow up.