Hi brains trust It's good to be here - I've enjoyed the various threads and discussions that I've seen after a fair bit of time "lurking" around here. A bit of background about me - I'm not much of a collector but have managed to assemble a variety of stoves nevertheless, without a lot of rhyme or reason. Most used has been my trusty 20yo Trangia 27 Duossal - I haven't felt the need for much else for solo backpacking - it's reliable, quiet and windproof and the fuel is consistently available in remote locations around here for some reason. Then the kids came along and management wasn't keen on cooking with Trangias for a family of five. So I got into Coleman DF - a 428 3 burner and a 533 sportster. Great stoves but the "shellite" fuel around here is $8/litre and that is more than I like to pay, so they don't get used as much as I would like, particularly at home where they would be good. If the fuel was cheaper, they would be perfectly adequate for my needs - I know stove fuel is a small expense but my frugal tendencies make me wince everytime I buy it and I see a cheaper fuel on the shelf right next to it. And around here, the summer is hot so it's nice to do a decent proportion of cooking outside if I can. Eating a plant based diet, I don't use the kamado much anymore - a stove is my preferred option for the meals we cook, particularly with a pressure cooker for beans and spuds etc, which we eat a fair bit of. By comparison, around here the cost of "metho" and "kero" is about $4/litre in your average big box store. Purely on the basis of energy density, that makes kero look pretty good but I've never used it and don't know anyone who does either. Non-iso butane is about $5/kg and Propane a touch over $3/kg for the "swap and go" 9kg bottles but a lot more for smaller canisters, so they are only really only financially good for home use. Camping butane / propane mix canisters are extortionate, in my view. On the subject of gassies, I have used them a lot because they are the default but I don't like the pressures involved and just don't get excited about them - they are too plain for my taste, even at home. I prefer liquid fuels also for the ability to not waste canisters/fuel between trips and just top them up without "jury rigging" a dodgy refilling system. I also don't like carrying the pressurised fuel around in the heat / car but that's just me. So, on the basis of fuel cost and the desire to cook regularly outside for a big family, I'm chasing a kero burner. Lets face it, it might just be an excuse to get another stove as well - and impress friends with something different. Looking for something to do most of the cooking on and if I need a second burner I can probably use one of my existing ones (eg the 533). A good option to also take camping would be a nice bonus. This would be very much a "user" stove and as second hand brassies are pretty hard to find in my neck of the woods, I am thinking of the new market, in particular: - Dragonfly (with DragonTamer for the serenity of a silent burner at home) - a MSR option that can simmer - Nova with silent burner - Manaslu 121 - is a silent burner available? - Primus Omnifuel? Key considerations, from reading around here of blocked jets, pump issues and o-rings are to get something that is as close to my Trangia as possible in terms of reliability / ease of maintenance / serviceability and availability of spares. With 3 hungry kids and a busy job, I don't have a lot of time for fettling and need stuff to be as reliable as possible but I also hate throwing stuff away because of non-serviceable components (hence my Trangia love). BTW - I might need some decent, stacking large camping pots as well for family meals. Thanks for getting this far - any thoughts?