Phoebus "Ardolux"

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  1. rollschmidts

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    Stove Phoebus "Ardolux"
    Hi, the lamp Forum I am a long time logged. After the beautiful meeting in newark (I am the german who took part with caravans and dog) I have a nice kettle in my collection
    a stove with name : Phoebus "Ardolux"
    Unfortunately I can not find anything on the net about the part, for example, Fuel (Petro?), Preheating, construction of the barrier, etc ..
    Can someone help me there ?
    get .A Phoebus "Ardolux".
    Unfortunately I can not find anything on the net about the part, for example, Fuel (Petro?), Preheating, construction of the barrier, etc ..
    Can someone help me there ?
    thanks for your help
    roland
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  2. Etherman

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    Hello @rollschmidts

    I'm not familiar with your stove and am not able to give you specific advice on your model. Although it does look like it shares some similar components found on many two burner manifold arrangements.

    First the generator pipe tube doesn't appear to have an inner self cleaning tube that would connect through to the fuel valve shown in example below. image.jpg
    Looks like the fuel block may be missing an additional control knob located opposite of the fuel feed, that possibly is used for air introduction for quick starting. If not the case the stove could possibly be primed by filling the burner cup under the generator tube with alcohol for preheating. As far as fuel it's likely using Benzine/Gasoline or Petrol/Kerosene. Based on the brass fuel tank it seems like a separate hand pump was used at the opposite side of the fuel fill port to add air pressure.

    Nice stove you have and the pressure gauge looks like it's well made.
     
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    Rollschmidts,
    Thank you for posting this (source: Newark gathering?).
    You want to know how to use and fix. If you have vaporized fuel to burner it can be sorted w/o knowing what it is.
    I am sorry, but for myself, I feel like question 1 is:
    1. What is this?
    A domestic range (?, missing whole body?) I myself can not resist this question 1.

    Nothing "Ardolux" on CCS. It can be found w/web search BUT there is but 1 example (not in English) and that is also yours !!!
    Re the other web entry, it is very much appreciated if you update this post if more details arise elsewhere. Thank you.

    I'm not suggesting a year for yours but ARDOLUX PHOEBUS cast into the grate and "Original Phoebus" badge ... "Phoebus" name was not used pre-1930/34.

    A. Can you please provide image or all detail possible from pressure guage.
    B. FYI tank lid, either link another example or if tank lid is total unknown and unique maybe zoom-in on that as topic for more detail?

    There are many examples of Phoebus 625/725 and various alcohol stoves. On CCS, yours is only the 3rd rare Phoebus 2 burner pressurized stove.

    As US stovie, I see strong resemblance of your tank and burners to old US gas 2 burner camp stioves c1920s-late 30s. That said, here's a frankie suspicious comment, is this an external pump tank? and maybe dumb question: Is external pump used on any other Phoebus or similar non-US/Canada apparatus? (any links to pump and similar tank lids? (non US/CA).
    The very crooked Phoebus badge on your tank also gives me pause along w/other tank related anomalies.

    There are 2 Phoebus 2 burner CCS examples, w/yours makes 3, however these 3 are entirely different: the 501 and Original Phoebus. the latter w/o question a more straight forward typical (Phoebus etc) design and function.

    Phoebus traits: they did incorporate winged removeable parts. The Taiwan Precise Phoebus 725 has wing tank lid in shape like yours.
    The Phoebus 501 valve. gen and burners are located as yours is ... not the tank btw.
    thx omc
     
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  4. gieorgijewski

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    WOW I went astray above, meanwhile
    Gieorgi hit that out of the park !! Thanks Gieorgi!!

    There is the whole deal in all it's glory, domestic table top range shown w/oven.
    Sadly, "all original" the OP is not, no frame, we see valve is missing lever etc.
    Re tank lid, the similar 725 lid is SRV, my curiosity remains re this tank lid and what is it ? (& tank vent? both may help re fuel) and in hindsight less curious re external pump, not shown in Gieorgi post.
    No need for detail re the gauge.
    thx omc
    search tag: 918 / 1937 Phoebus-Werke AG Ardo Jozsef
     
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    @gieorgijewski : May be the instructions say to pump trough the filler cap? The pipe that's behind the presure gauge may be an later attachement, or may be it's an older model. Anyway the @rollschmidts one lacks the stuffing nut at the spindle.
    Congratulations rollschmidts, good find!
    Enrique
     
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    WoW...
    Possibly
    but Do Not ask me to reading/translate from hungarian
    it is Out of my Possibility
    just compare real situation with scheme
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    Or may be the rearward pipe is the NRV that was changed to direct the gas rearward and the pressure gauge was put in it's place... :twisted: I would like to put my hands on it to do a dissection...
    I'm sorry too far from there :( and I have no examples around here.
    Enrique
     
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    vielen Dank für Ihre Hilfe . Es ist dieser Kocher. Es hat die Besonderheit, die gemacht wird, um die Spindel zu teilen sich die Petro von zwei und ein Linksgewinde hat zu schließen. Das habe ich wieder aufgebaut und wird den Herd nächste Woche testen.
     
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    Nothing to thank, rollschmidts, but ich nicht sprache deutch :oops:, though reading some flying words. It is a very interesting stove anyway, would like to see some flame shots.
    Enrique
     
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    I remember you well Roland, Especially that schnapps you so kindly gifted us to warm our cockles :lol: :thumbup:

    Nice stove and glad your posting here

    Cheers