all, Arson, You're certainly an adventurous one. Amidst your latest adventure you found this stove It is owned by your host in Mexico, Dr. Reyes. In the US we're fortunate to have great neighbors to the south. I felt among the stoves you shared in above link (and there's more), this Primus 70 pot support is worthy of a topic. There may be another but your find is the first example with this pot support, in the flesh, that I can recall anyway. I found *the support illustrated with an earlier stove in a 1930 Belgium catalog here. *support: "Primus 70...qui est fourni de support practique pour les casseroles..." (Primus 70 ... which is provided with practical support for pans... ). FYI to readers: you/Arson have, very quickly, provided me additional detail. One simple curiosity you very quickly solved for us (TY) is that there is not a handle on your support (or stove). I find the stove/support handle illustrated in the catalog confusing fwiw. My effort here is re the pot support. pretty much done, the end (for support). Uh oh. Guys, we're going to need another post I'm afraid. Seriously re P70 comments I do suggest a new thread. (or later my above "pot support" OP portion might be separated / moved?) Are you ready for this... drum roll, Arson has shared, wait for it... a "Primus 70" ok, w/date code AK. (1946) This is a Primus 70 that, it seems, was made DECADES after the Primus 70 production run was (previously) thought to have ended, ...what the? How can that be, what am I missing here? It's a revelation (or head scratcher, either way, way more info than I had expected to attempt to make sense of). Until now, a statement on CCS like ...the Primus 70 was replaced by the Primus 71 c1931... would be repeated til the cows come home on CCS and never be questioned, iirc. Ok, that settles it for me, it seems in my life time there will always be something new to learn about old camp stoves! Primus 70 news, now! a stove researched for how many hundreds of hrs to-date, and we're not aware of this, again unless I am missing something . thx humbled omc tag @arson51 Mr Primus 70/71 Ross @Spiritburner btw my workload limits online time, omc out.
Wow on the date stamp changing what is known!!!!!! I am very glad I took photos of all the markings on the stoves that I could get my hands on out there!
Interesting anomaly. The 70 DID exist along side the 71 for a short while & there are catalogues that show both models together. Non seen as late as this & it's a popular model so why isn't seen in the later catalogues or examples in our galleries? The filler cap is also correct for a 1946 71. Not seen the domed cap on a 70. Possibilties: Late April fool photoshop - ultra cynical viewpoint given file name of date code image is random (5tbGMW4r.jpg) compared to the near sequential typical digicam format of the first two images (IMG_7388 & IMG_7392). I don't seriously believe this to be the case but I'll laugh along if it is. Made by Primus licensee in South Ameria, not for export. Hence rarity. But why 'Made in Sweden' on tank? Is a combination of 2 stoves from a bit of master fettling. Blown out base on a 70. Base & filler cap taken from a doner 1947 71. The 70 was available at least as late as 1947 but only for very specific markets. Hence rarity. We have many catalogues from around the world that only show the 71 this late. What would be the rational? The initial overlap was odd. Best I can do at moment. Will look more closely at catalogues I have when CPLv2 is finished
1937 Argentinian catalogue in Stove Ref Library carries an image of the pot stand/tripod and a stove in it identified as a '71' that is clearly more '70'-like, including the handle, which would require a slot in the pot rest to accommodate it - or it's catalogue artist's licence again.
It's difficult to tell from the image what is stamped on the side of the AK 'Pri.70'. I'd hazard at a guess that the stove is a hybrid of a 71 tank and a 70 vapo/bnr.
Hi Ian, have a look at this image from the original post. It does appear that the tank is marked as a Primus No.70. Best Regards, George.
Aye, the pot support frame isn't a complete circle, having a cut out for the handle soldered to the tank on some 70 variants. It's likely it also aided an easy to fit but tight, sprung fit. I think there is a certainly licence in the using an old drawing. They have for the 96 too!
As mentioned this "AK" P70 detail was unexpected, I did suggest another thread. P70 comments are ongoing here and I'll add: Ross, Happy April but original image files are consistent, some were exchanged and I edited 2 I posted. The stove example is not photoshop work I am sure. For me, I'm happy to pick this up after CPL is online and de-bugged. We'll be here. You suggested 4 possibilities, we may tend to figure things out sooner by collaborating and sharing our thoughts . 2 possibilities are ruled out. all, I want also to clarify this P70 tank uniqueness, stamped 70, the shape (& dome lid) IS that of a later version P71 shortie (it does not have ribbed shoulder of earlier 70s) but it does have spirit cup of earlier 70s (and earlier vaporizer obviously). So, it is NOT simply a last version of P70 tank... for me it seems, there's nothing simple about this P70 conundrum. I'm of opinion it was unknown until now and it's legit. I'll add conjecture that a wholesaler, say in S.America, continued ordering P70s, a large enough P70 order (for a good customer) that Primus satisfied what became a special order. I can not imagine why but additionally the order specified no valve, making odd order even more odd. We may find that special order 70 was originally shipped w/that support? Given what is presented that is my guess for now. thx omc
1 more, I could actually understand a scenario that a customer preferred, insisted even on the P70 he was already familiar with: a no valve 70 (vs maintain a valve), sturdy pot support (vs thin flawed P70/71 tins). late again thx omc out
This may not help with this discussion but in their 1927/29 catalogue, Primus called the 70 with handle in the stand a '70K', as seen here.
I assure you all this is no delayed April fools prank. I will post the complete photo set I tool while examining this stove at the Servimont Climbers Hostal in Tlachichuca Mexico. The stove was stored in a coffee tin which was also used to put out the flame and turn the stove off. The quick story Dr. Reyes told me was that it was his fathers stove and that it still worked.
@arson51 @OMC I have copied arson51's post above into the SRG with link back to here. https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/primus-no-70-with-pot-support-ak-1947.35228/
Trevor, I presented above a No.70 w/support based on 1930 catalog. You have helped by adding, the same stove, a No.70K w/stand based on 1927/29 catalog (neither c1927 nor 1930 match OP but I digress). You have shown us there is more to it and I thank you kind sir. You may have noticed my 1930 source says (wrongly imo) it is a No.70L. The "L" indicates stove comes with tin, that description of 70L w/o tin is conflicted. If both of these 3rd party sellers acquired the illustration from Primus (Sweden)? We will like in future to see a Primus catalog where this No.70__ ... "a what do you call it" was 1st offered. My impression is the pot stand / support was shipped w/stove from Primus. Apparently available w/the No.70 1920s-c1931 and continued to some extent w/ the No.71 (and as late as '46 it seems, again w/a 70 by special order or?... those details not firmed up). A c1927/29 No.70K stove example, a match to it's illustration (if ever we see one) will be an excellent welcome contribution. That earliest No.70 pot support / stand with a void in bottom ring to accommodate the handle of the 70 means there are at least 2 versions of this Primus pot stand / support (solves confusion I mention in OP). As to catalog interpretation: I've learned from others and by checking countless catalogs. One tidbit I've shared in past [flawed as they are] "...manufacturer catalogs, incl. parts lists, are very good, often the best source. It helps to become familiar w/that company's catalogs and their practices (ie outdated images etc)." thank you best regards omc tag @shagratork PS Drift: I find it's yet another stovie oddity? This unique Primus support / stand sold for so many years and yet we've seen so few examples... ONE example !! iirc, with a quite unique 70 (the 70 an "interesting anomaly" itself. ???
Hi May it be a "special ordered" for an "special export"? There are many examples along the years of activity of those companies. Received orders for a batch with some particular characteristics, then made them for that particular market... Not in the catalogues because they were "special orders" Just a thought... Enrique
Thanks Enrique, Gentlemen, Above I said "A c1927/29 No.70K, a match to it's illustration, will be a welcome contribution. That earliest No.70 pot support / stand with a void in bottom ring... " and here it is: Congrats to winner on an excellent score !! Many fellow stovies were aware of this as it just sold on ebay along with 30 stoves & lamps, all well presented. thx omc tag @arson51 @Spiritburner @shagratork @shueilung.2008
@OMC And this is an old P70, may be late 20's. It doesn't have the safety pin. Enrique PS: For sure @Spiritburner but the pot stand itself, the fillercap, and the shape of the fount, prooves that there were models made on request. Even older ones (using the modern fonts of the P71 shorty)
@Spiritburner , I forgot to mention that the P70 posted by @arson51 doesn't need the void, it has no handle. Enrique
