Juwel 34

Discussion in 'Juwel No:34' started by AngryDaddyBird, Jul 5, 2018.

  1. AngryDaddyBird Banned

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    Here’s a Juwel 34 I have. I know very little about these. I do know they burn White gas like a champ and that’s about it. I like the size. Comparable to a Svea 123. I love small stoves. I’m debating to shelf it or pass it along.

    Anyway if anyone can enlighten us on the history of these stoves feel free to write about it here. For now enjoy the pictures.

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    What a beauty!
     
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    Now that is a nice one.
     
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    Not exactly sure about the pre history... [There was a Juwel 33 that was similar.]
    Made in 1934 by Gustav Barthel in Dresden, Germany. At this time the newly-empowered National Socialist government was building up the military. Barthel got a contract for small <benzin> fueled stoves for the Wehrmacht, especially mountain troops, paratroopers [possibly] and in survival kits in Luftwaffe aircraft. Bartel's had more orders than they could fill, and a different contract was also tendered to Arara [in 1937 ?], a crosstown rival, for a similar small military pack stove. Thus the Arara 37 - which has no parts in common. Wartime units had steel tanks, since brass was needed for ammunition. The army ones were an olive green [still seen on BW equipment] and hammertone silver grey for the Luftwaffe.
    The factory was plundered by the Soviets in 1945, and some Russian clones can be seen on ebay, usually out of the Ukraine. In the PostWar period, Barthel got back on its feet in Dresden -- now in East Germany -- and started building more stoves for the tourist/camping market. Sometimes called <<Juwel 84>>. A lot of the later stoves were painted bright colors and had ''happy looking'' painted scenes on them. Yours is one of these.
    Were they originally clones of the Pre War Svea Campus 3 or the early Ptimus 71? I will let the experts define that.
     
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    I'll add a few things, out of my head. The 33 was used by the military with the added eagle stamp etc. (civvy models of course don't carry the eagle etc. stampings). Also Meva made this model. Fount of the 33 is mostly steel (early ones were brass), 34 are mostly brass. The 84 is a slightly larger model as is the 2000. Quality of the stoves is very good, these are simple yet very reliable little stoves. The ones with the decals on the top and bottom lid are -of course- the nicest! To bad, so far I only found the Plain Jane's .

    Best regards,

    Wim
     
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    Looks unfired, too. Good score.
     
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    If We are talking about tank - steel 33 are rare - seems to be war production
    most of 34 are steel - brass are rare.
    Mean while - was "33U" steel and brass
    Meva - was post war - with many changes
     
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    My impression -- which may be wrong -- is that 33s are all pre- and during WW2. The 34 is basically the same stove, but is post-war (i.e. East Germany). Also that some 34s may have been made for Warsaw Pact militaries, but most are civilian.

    As i say, these may be misconceptions, and I would appreciate correction from those with more knowledge.

    That is a beautiful 34.

    ....Arch
     
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    Well I'm not an expert on the Bartel stoves. I don't even own one. I had the idea that the number after the model name was the first year of production. I have no idea where that came from. I am probably off by a digit on my 'documentary' of Juwel stoves.
    I do own an Arara 37. It led me to this forum. I have yet to fix it or locate a source for spares. But I think the Optimus 2078 gasket will fit on the fuel cap and that's a start.
    And I never heard of the Witkoren before. This forum is great.
     
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    What a fantastic little stove! I love the jolly kids camping scene printed around the top and bottom! I definitely want one of these now.!
     
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    @gieorgijewski , you are right of course, I must have still been to sleepy this morning! ;)
    And I'd only have to walk to the garden shed to check things up :roll:.
    Still hoping to find me a brass 33 O:).

    Best regards,

    Sleepy
     
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    J33 was rare and prices are non acceptable
    because it is "German Army Stove" ( for AH funs)
    Post war steel J34 - "twice used look" -( mean - very nice...) could be deadly perforated - but is easy to buy them.

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    i think it is pour steel quality - btw Meva too
     
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    I really like these small round stoves - my user is a steel 34, supplied with a glassfiber wick around the burnerbase - in the spirit cup. It’s definately one of my favorite go-to stoves.
    I have a used brass 34 as well - though not as nice as the top posted.
    @AngryDaddyBird - If you look at the side, you should see a frame like this:

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    Here you can see the production year. Mine is from 1949, but it still runs like a new one.
    (I could be tempted to swap my brass 34 with tin for a Coleman 520/M1950).
    The finish and general appearence is so much nicer on the brass ones - in my opinion.

    They usually range in price from 20€ and up to 150€. The latter being from the Army/Luftwaffe from WW2.
    You can easily get unused/near unused very nice steel 34 from around 40-60 €. A user one for 25-40 €. (I paid 25€ for my hardly used steel 34).
    They came later with a larger tank which was named Juwel 84.
    But as @gieorgijewski mention - Its a good idea to check the inside/bottom of the steel tank.
    Spares can be had at Fettlebox and some German sites.
     
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    The photos are great.
     
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    Thanks to everyone for all the post and information on these. I can’t tell if it’s been fired or not. It’s dry and has no smell that I can tell if fuel was in there??
    The decals are prettynice though. I dug it out to fire it up but decided back in the box it goes.
     
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    @SveaSizzler you mentioned it’s similar and I have one to compare it to.

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    @Harder D. Soerensen
    I’ll take a look on the side if it’s stamped like that. I’m thinking it’s not though?
     
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    I’m seriously thinking of trading this for a 111D or 199 or another Borde but undecided yet. I’m looking for an alcohol burning stove still. One that can convert to burn it or was made to burn it.