Found Archive of the Coleman Company records donated to the Wichita State University. http://specialcollections.wichita.edu/collections/ms/2013-03/2013-3-a.html#series1_2 Collection Summary Title: Coleman Company Records Call Number: MS 2013-03 Size: 88.5 linear feet (75 boxes) and 17 oversized folders (OS) Acquisition: Donated by the Coleman Company, Inc., 2011 and 2015, and International Coleman Collectors Club, 2016 Processed by: LBW, AA, TB, LG, JP, and MS, 7-2013; JZ, 8-2015; JZ, 8-2016 Restrictions: None Note: Digital collection, Coleman Company Records
I have been informed that there is a caveat in the Coleman book in regards to Canadian stoves stating along the lines of 'Due to the lack of catalogue and advertising documentation of Canadian stoves from the 20's, the book focuses on Canadian stoves from the beginning of the 1930's' I think that is a very honest admission and it is perfectly understandable as to why Canadian stoves of the 20's aren't listed. Since the book has been published, a lot of information in document form is available. As I mentioned earlier, I have a physical example of a Canadian 2E. https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/what-model-is-this-coleman-please.35992/#post-370672 @HercL4D2 Those Coleman company records would be fun to go through.
I take exception to this. (I hope that is the term). This is not the forum to state errors, made by members of another forum, in a book made by an entirely different forum. I do not care if they are true or not true. I also do not care how nicely you say it. Go the Coleman Collectors Forum, or ICCC, and share these bits of gossip. I am one that thinks the term 'Playing well with others' is an important trait here. Ken in NC
Wasn't it you that introduced me to the book? I thought you were out of here. I didn't understand what the problem was when you said it and I still don't after your latest rant. Gossip? Huh? Ken, you've stated your objections, please, let's leave it at that.
Herc, Well done. matty calls his a 2E a 2E... it will be interesting to learn, w/o reference, how he has determined... 2E, the "E" part. Anyway You done good finding and sharing those archived Coleman company details thanks (there may be more yet). Herc, I'll tell you a little secret, I found something too, don't tell matty. "Coleman Camp Stove - regular model No.2. [it has]… hot blast starter, swinging fuel tank, built-in oven and drum heater, wind baffle, warming cabinet, air pump and Speedy-Heat Flame-Spreading Burners! made in Toronto Ontario 1925" there, I've said too much. You know where I found that... shhhh, where else right here on CCS of course. hehehehe thx omc edit: below, herc and I are posting at the same time here oops, and kinda going 2 different ways with this. Herc I said above with all due respect, I do respect you and do appreciate your input, thank you.
Matty you have not done your research, you are making a biased assumption in here. Please read the info in the links I gave you instead of making an assumption of Canadian stoves and some non existent catalog for Canadian manufactured stoves with a relationship to the Coleman brand. The factory in Canada producing Coleman stoves was not placed in production until long after WWII. Please do some research on your own and spend some time in joining the ICCC membership and those fine folks at CCF. I gave you some links go there and do the research please.
Perhaps not, but if there are errors, it gains everyone if they are pointed out. It's hardly any critisism on another forum or their works. And it was not Matty who brought this particular book up in here. But since it was mentioned, surely he must be allowed to comment on the subject?
Here's the obituary of Chainsaw Al Dunlap from today's NYTimes. He was the architect of the Coleman buyout. https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/05/obituaries/al-dunlap-dead.html
It reflects the macho corporate world existing at that time. If it wasn’t ‘chainsaw someone’ it was ‘someone the axe’, or similiar. (I’m not going to buy into discussion of the American book.)
Maybe this is a translation error. What I intended with my comment about the other forums, ICCC & CCF: They are the authors of the book. Any issue one has with the book, which Matty has by hearsay, should be aired there. Not here, where we can do nothing about it. I suggested the book because he said he wanted data, now he is citing errors in the book he does not own. This is obviously going nowhere good.
Hello The latest Coleman Book is a fantastic document, make no mistake! Coleman Witicha production is well documented. Coleman Toronto production is not. The Coleman Toronto plant was closed down after the original NAFTA agreement was signed in the late '80s, as the plant was now totally redundant! Coleman Witicha officials stripped the Toronto plant of anything useful, and it seems, sent all Toronto historic production documentation and records to destruction at the dump! The new Coleman book acknowledges these Canadian production documentation shortcomings. Scouters Jan, Angus and other contributers, have an ongoing project going on the CCF documenting the Canadian production of "Two & three burner stove models" productions and timeline. Its an evolving document as lost Canadian Documentation gradually turns up from all dusty corners of the Commonwealth and is posted on the site! Cheers ThomasL
Thanks Blueflame. Coleman Toronto developed and refined the 500 Speedmaster stove, 236 and 237 lanterns before 1939! They had also developed a comprehensive range of two and three burner stoves following the successful Witicha inititive. How do we know - because "dated" examples turn up ocassionally. However suitcase stoves weren't dated till the early 1960s but the original Canadian sales document turns up to qualify and roughly date the examples been saved and fettled! Cheers ThomasL p.s. Perhaps HercL4D2 means WW1? and then it was late in the year 1920. T.L.
I don’t have good knowledge of the Canadian Coleman stoves, but early Canadian-made Coleman lanterns turn up in Australia from time to time (like my 1926 LQ327 here). The British Commonwealth countries gave preferential tariffs to each other, and this would have favoured some items being imported to Australia from Canada. There are plenty of US Coleman’s in Australia from the start of Coleman production, though. Have a look in the Reference Library if you’re interested in early Coleman stoves sold in Australia - I’ve been posting early Coleman Quicklite Co. of Australia advertisements there (more to come). Cheers Tony @Blueflame @ThosKiwi
I stand corrected. Coleman Company Records The 1920s also saw expansions in Coleman facilities when the company opened a plant in Toronto, Canada in 1920. In 1934, the Coleman Company, Inc. (based in the United States) turned over control of non-United States sales, the Export Division, to the Coleman Company, Ltd. (Canadian subsidiary) because of the preferential tariffs Canada had as part of the British Empire. In 1950, Coleman opened a second plant near Toronto, which coincided with the 50th anniversary of the Coleman Company. As the Coleman Company grew, so, too, did W.C.’s family. Fannie and W.C. had two sons, Sheldon Sr. and Clarence. Both worked for the Coleman Company, but only Sheldon Sr. made it his career after graduating from Cornell in 1925 with a degree in mechanical engineering. Sheldon Sr. immediately went to work in the Toronto factory where he learned how to operate every machine on the floor. In a few years, Sheldon Sr. returned to Wichita, where he continued to learn about all aspects of the company. After the stock market crash of 1929, Sheldon Sr. took over the financial end of the company and successfully steered the firm through the Great Depression. Sheldon Sr. became president of the company in 1951, and, in 1957, after W.C.’s death, he became the chairman of the board. During World War II, the Coleman Company converted much of its manufacturing to defense contracts and developed and manufactured one of its well-known products: the G.I. Pocket Stove (Model 520). This light-weight, innovative single burner was designed to operate in extremely cold and hot climates, burn all kinds of fuel, and withstand rough handling. By the end of the war, Coleman sold a civilian Pocket Stove, Model 530, which was also called the G.I. Pocket Stove. Coleman also produced a military lantern, projectiles for the Navy, and parts for B-17 and B-29 bombers.
