California bans Denatured Alcohol, and......!!

Amazon will ship bioetanol to California. It's an excellent fuel choice for alcohol stoves.

Ben

 

Good to know.
Bioethanol vs Denatured.

 

I’ve two sisters and a variety of nieces and a nephew in California,,, near San Francisco,,, I’ve been out there a few times, and coming in from Northeastern Minnesota, I found the air to be quite thick there,,, thick enough to see, and difficult to breathe. I walked some in San Francisco,,, had never really seen homeless folk actually living in make shift tent cities before, and them breathing that awful air with no hope of changing their situations...

California is a big state, big population, and with very complex problems with smog, and it compounded by the mountains. Seems like a good start on reducing smog and air pollutants would be getting rid of whatever might produce them...

 

Haggis, you should have seen the smog in parts of California a few decades ago; way worse by far than today. Control of automobile emissions was the key.

Washington state has ended all auto-emission testing, as modern cars are all in compliance with air-quality standards.

When I was a kid we saw no eagles and no herons; now they are all over the place; far less pollution. You often couldn't see Mt. Rainier on 'clear' days in summer because of all the smoke in the air from slash burners at the sawmills. Likewise we would have 'pea-soup' fogs in the winter; all long gone with the vanished emissions and burning.

 

I realize ethanol is better, but methanol is workable and definitely better than nothing. Yellow Heet is straight methanol and is widely used and well liked. I’m offering possible solutions.

This sounds like the right interpretation to me. The CARB got a mandate from the legislature and had to find a way to achieve it. I think it’s odious that individuals are inconvenienced while large industrial concerns make the bulk of the pollution with impunity, but at the end of the day it is just an inconvenience.

 

@Ed Winskill

I can’t even imagine it. Looks like Washington did what was needed...

Looking back east, and back in history, there was a time when pollution was atrocious... Mostly cleaned up or being cleaned up now though.

Change is always difficult, more difficult for some than for others. Couple that with business interests likely to lose their cash flow, and Cold War propaganda techniques take control to the point people aren’t certain who to believe. The truth is never where the powers that be want us to look,,, it’s never that easy.

 

Well, I'm going to buy a few more gallons (unlike with CF or kero, I've never bought more than a single gallon at a time), against the possibility that the 'inconvenience' will spread North!

 

A quick internet research shows this same topic about California.... dated 2011. What’s going on here?

 

Was that topic here?

 

Is yellow HEET, the product, still for sale in auto stores in CA? This banning logic says it is not. But, it may be terminology.

 

DA in CA (Denatured Alcohol in California) | BernieDawg Stove LabThere are multiple links to this discussion from mechanics, boat owners, etc from 2011. I just found some investigative reporting from Bernie Dawg.

 

Thanks.
I read the BD writing.

 

I'm disgusted that government has gotten to the level where it's able to ban things by fiat, without a referendum to the people. Too big, too much, too powerful.

 

Well, it is said here that in fact it is now unavailable in the stores. Which is why I asked, because it's true that often such discussions wander over time and space.

So folks on the ground in Cal are saying it's not in the stores; that would be the test, I think.

 

Have they pulled yellow Heet off the auto parts store shelves?
I just bought 2 10 Oz bottles for $1.77 each. Also got another gallon of KleenStrip denatured alco for $17. Both from Home Depot.

 

Not so great, inasmuch as last time I bought KleenStrip, within the last year, it was $11.99 per gallon. I'll check hereabouts tomorrow.

17 bucks for a gallon of alcohol. What an unbelievable ripoff!They're making this stuff by the billions of gallons to put in our auto fuel.

 

Actually, it was $15.27 with a veterans discount of 10%. $16.97 retail. The ''Green'' stuff was about 8 bucks for a quart.

 

I bought a whooole lot of yellow HEET from Walmart and had it delivered. With the hazmat shipping I have no clue how they made any money on the deal but it was cheap and burns well.

 

Methanol is a difficult one. It can be made from bio sources but not always. Here in New Zealand we have the Methanex factory in Taranaki. This supplies something like 40% of the worlds methanol needs. Its source product? Natural Gas. Now all fossil fuels including gas are part of the problem not the solution.
I didnt see kerosene or gasoline on that list (yet) That shows 2 things. One: ecology is not the driver 2: Some serious and expensive lobbying going on

 

Time to stock up?