Stove ovens

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  1. JohnMars United States

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    I remember when I bought a Coleman 2 burner back in circa 2008 from Milletts, Im pretty sure I remember seeing a big stack of Coleman folding ovens in the shop - and thought "who would want that"!

    Well now I think it would be useful to be able to bake / make pizza or warm a ready meal using the stove, but when I look now, you cannot seem to buy the ovens anymore!

    Does anyone have any good insight into any other ovens suitable for use on a 533? I was looking at the Omnia oven but it got some reviews that it was thin metal.

    Also I read someone mentioned using a dutch oven but I am not sure Id want all that weight of cast iron on my 533.

    Any good ideas of any other way I can bake would be great!

    One last question - regarding such ovens and looking at toasters, do you think its safe to have food exposed to the flame output of such stove, e.g. worries about rust preventers in Colman fuel or small amounts of benzene present, or do you think everything burnt off?

    Thanks!

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    Check every where. This Optimus mini oven came from Sweden, stuff still burns on the bottom, I've ordered a silicone liner to see if that will work as foil did not work well. The updated Omnia is even bigger. I have two ovens for larger stoves like a two burner Coleman. I've fixed a game hen and sweet potato before, made cookies, brownies, biscuits in the larger oven, using an external thermometer to keep an eye on oven temp.
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    Hi, @JohnMars ,

    I'm sure you could find a nice Coleman folding oven on eBay, if you want one. Give that a peek, and see what pops up. The small Boss ovens are even better, but they are not the folding type. Good luck, and God Bless!

    Every Good Wish,
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    Omnia is a great little oven. There is an Omnia FB page with tons of good info and good people

    @hikerduane, you need a rack or tray of sorts to keep things off the bottom. Also, the stove makes a big difference, a stove that shoots flame straight up (like Optimus 81 alcy stove) will burn thing on top if not careful. A stove that shoots flames out to the side will get the bottom too hot. And just keep the flame low. PM sent
     
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    Duane that looks brilliant!
     
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    Thanks doc, I’ve been looking out but may have to buy stateside and pay import tax! I’m considering doing that for a Coleman sleeping bag with deer print as we don’t seem to have it here in uk.

    Oh and are you a real doc?
     
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    @Majicwrench, Keith is the expert on the mini oven, doing much more than I have used it. If I kept using foil under the stuff I'm trying to cook, might have better success with further experimentation, but am going to try a silicone liner as I saw mention somewhere that there was even one made to fit the mini oven.
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    @JohnMars ,

    Hey, John,

    Not a real doctor, just a serious student of the history of medicine and surgery. In that capacity, I was a member of one of the largest Medical Societies in the US, for five years. I portray a surgeon from the 33rd Regiment of Foot, during the Rev War, and do seminars on that topic, around the US. That’s how the nickname “Doc” came my way. Even the real doctors and nurses of the Medical Society called me that. Fun stuff, and always something new to learn. I recently got to tour the Surgical Museum of the Royal College of Physicians, in Edinburgh, and that was wonderful!

    Back to the Coleman oven: I checked on eBay, and there are tons of them being offered there. Prices seem to be in the $50-$100 area, plus or minus. They used to sell in the $20 range, and less! I “may” have one down in the Hobbit Hole, I could offer you, as long as you don’t mind it being in used condition. The price would be more reasonable than what I see on eBay. If that would interest you, I’ll have to check, and see what I can find. NO worries, if you would rather have a mint one, with box and paperwork. Talk later, and God Bless!

    Every Good Wish,
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    Thanks doc that’s very kind of you but I feet post cost to uk would be prohibitive! I think they are heavy!

    I love your equipment and uniform in your photo!

    I’m a medical doc and was going to put it in my name on here but thought people would think I’m some stove expert!!! Ha ha! While I could fix anyone up I could not work such wonders with their stove!
     
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    Duane, try parchment paper.
     
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    I'll give the silicone liner a try when I get it, wasn't thinking of the paper. My Susie homemaker skills are rusty.
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    Hi @hikerduane . The Wonder-pot mini-oven has effectively a double bottom when assembled and this seems to stop scorching of the contents when baking/cooking. The oven sits on top of this shield/diffuser plate on the pan-holder of the stove

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    The mini-oven consists of three parts,From Right to Left: a small shield/diffuser plate, the main body of the oven with internal chimney, and the lid.
     
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    So, is Duane's setup incomplete?
     
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    I have a new mini, three pieces. It is new to me, so more experimenting in the field with flame size is needed. I tried slightly crunched up foil in the pic above, not a lot of change w/o it when on my trip to OR. Has only been used twice.
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    Hi, John (Dr. Mars!), @JohnMars

    The Coleman folding oven weighs about 7 lbs. Here is one that is ending on eBay, that you might consider. The seller is willing to consider offers. Interestingly, the seller is just to the North of us, down the mountain, in the desert!

    Vintage Coleman Folding Camp Cooking Oven 5010A700 W/ Original Box | eBay

    If you need help with this, let me know. Take care, and God Bless!

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    Hi, you seem to have the same basic components as my stove.
    I was surprised at first at how low a flame setting it needed.
    If sheltered from draughts I set the flame at a simmer level and find that to be sufficient to maintain the required heat level.
    Best Regards,
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    @JohnMars You dismiss a Dutch oven for your Coleman anglers’ stove but the smaller ones would be perfectly suitable:-
    • they don’t burn the food anywhere nearly as readily as anything (like the Omnia) made of aluminium
    • an equivalent diameter of Dutch oven has more capacity than an Omnia (of annular construction)
    • the Coleman isn’t remotely going to collapse under the weight of a moderately-sized Dutch oven - or even a larger one in all probability
    • if you’re developing a taste for acquiring stoves, get an Optimus/Primus No.5 or equivalent Monitor/Valor/Burmos and benefit from much cheaper paraffin fuel and a physically more robust stove that lifts the pot base well above the tank so doesn’t overheat due to reflected heat, as the Coleman might.
    A Coleman collapsible oven is ok, but a UK non-collapsible oven such as a Kubex, Valor or Falks - though not currently produced - crop up at car boot sales and online auctions quite regularly and are better insulated than a Coleman, so are more fuel efficient, and outdoors in a cold, windy UK setting will more readily reach baking temperature.

    True, for the Falks and Veritas a stove with a larger surface for cooking on is necessary. A wick stove originally, as here under my Dutch oven (with charcoal on the lid to provide top heat for the bake).

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    Falks oven on Coleman ‘suitcase’ stove.

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    Veritas ‘Atmos’ also on the Coleman stove.

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    An older Coleman collapsible oven.

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    You ask about the possible hazards of fuel burning by-products on food. The contents of a Dutch oven (or Omnia) aren’t exposed to the flames. In the case of a stove with a baffle in the base (Coleman/Kubex/Falks/Veritas) they are, indirectly, but anything other than pump petrol/gasoline as the fuel and a burner in good condition burning fuel efficiently is surely unlikely to impregnate the food with measurable quantities of carcinogens, no more so than a household kitchen gas oven.
     
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    I built the stand, based on old catalogue illustrations, for the oven but have yet to try it.
    The shelf height can be adjusted, presumably to control the temp, though probably not while the oven is in use.

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    Hello @Brass monkey I have the same model oven, I wont be using it until summer so am trying to decide on how much restoration to do to it.
    The latching mechanism is missing from the door and I i have started trying to recreat what I imagine should have been there.
    If you can take a photo and post it of the latch on your oven it would be very much appreciated