Hi, I'm new here, I found out about the site from Rik_uk3 on Bushcraft UK. Basically I'm fed up with the roar from my dragonfly, it's a nice stove with good simmer etc but NOISY. I'm trying to find a stove that is as quiet as posssible. I like the look of the optimus 111T but getting one looks difficult. What do you guys recommend without breaking the bank? Cheers Grebby
hi grebby! i understand about the dragonfly (about ready to get rid of all my tank/hose stoves next month)... finding a 111t will be much easier on your side of the pond, but since i don't use the Bay of Evil, i wouldn't know how to get one (was lucky enough to get in on a military surplus sale here in the states recently) perhaps a friendly stovie here on CCS may help?
Hi Grebby and welcome to CCS a very good choice with the 111t all the 111's are brilliant well built stoves i have three i have restored and love them,i personaly prefer the older 111's with the solid flatter style control knob which was normally green red or white. You could look on ebay for onr that needs some work doing to it that may be cheaper but the 111's do get some bids on the bay if you are in no hurry you could have a look around the car boot sales and auto jumbles your more likely get one cheaper
Hi Grebby, Welcome to CCS. You can find 111T's on eBay every now and then, but they don't come cheap. I am not familiar with the Dragonfly, but if you find the 111 attractive I suppose you are not looking for a very light-weight backpacking stove. I just finished fettling an Enders 9060 D - Silent, and found that it outperforms the 111. You can see it here: https://classiccampstoves.com/posts/189889 I see quite a few of these 9060 on eBay (primarily in Germany, of course), and they go for a lot less than the 111's. Another option would be to install a BernieDawg silent cap on your MSR, if you can get hold of one of those silent caps. Enjoy! Yonadav Linux_author - I might help you get rid of a couple of those disgusting tank/hose stoves when the time comes.
Brunton bantam is a good stove, it is fairly quiet and is plenty powerful, only runs on white spirit, coleman fuel, it is selling for very good prices. Kovea sell a similar stove the booster clam, it also looks good (it is pretty much the same) but Brunton have excellent customer service, where as Kovea (in NZ) don't seem to respond to emails at all. If you want a quiet Kero stove the 111t would be great (if a little hefty). Dan
I think these guys ship international, Good 2nd hand stove, Theyellowdog and i both have one, Dans was nearly as new, Mines very tidy as well and very quiet. http://www.kiwidisposals.co.nz/items/?itemID=839
You ought to check out the Dragon Tamer silent cap: [media=youtube]o6PEJ0YVvkg[/media] However, if you can take the weight, the 111T is a superb stove, and it runs fantastic on kerosene (much safer than white gas).
That Enders one looks just as good to me. I've just had a quick look on ebay and have a question. What is the difference between the 9060D and the 9061? and which is best? I've also been leant a MSR whisperlite, are the 111T and the enders job similar in noise terms and performance? That said the best solution looks like the dragon tamer BUT where to get one and how much? The $200 mentioned on the youtube vid makes the eyes water a bit Cheers Grebby
Thank you I hadn't thought about using parafin as fuel Loads of my mates fire poi so there is usually some about Does the heat output differ when using parafin v petrol type fuel? I'll keep looking on ebay Cheers Grebby
I believe paraffin produces a little bit more heat energy per unit weight than gasoline, but the difference is rather subtle. However, my Enders 9060D, running on gasoline, burns hotter than my 111T running on paraffin. (Both are silent models). Ignoring the higher cost, I prefer gasoline due to the faster priming time, and the ability to use the fuel for priming when meths is not handy. But I have to admit, paraffin is MUCH safer. Yonadav
Not so's you'd notice. Paraffin puts out more heat than petrol theoretically but the jet sizes take account of the difference. It's a safer fuel to use and if the stove springs a leak from a seal, the leak wouldn't instantly ignite with paraffin as petrol would. 111T's go for big money. Everybody seems to want a silent burner 111. It makes the Enders stoves a bargain if you're happy with paying more for the right fuel. I say 'right' fuel because it really needs to be Coleman fuel or Aspen 4T. Pump petrol's got additives that are not good to have around when cooking and wreck (gum up) the burner. John
The 111 family is mighty fine, no doubt, I have a basic kero 111 I like a great deal. If you are after cheap sounds of silence tho, risk a tenner on a Ledmark meths powered cook set. Good pot set, great weather-ability. Trangia style performance (nearly, anyway) at a fraction of the price. I've yet to hear someone say "It's a total pile, wish I'd never brought it!" I have the Optimus version (77a), 99% identical to the Ledmark and my #1 go-to when I camp. Way better than the ex-military 'Swede Cooker' if not as sturdy.
I have various meths stoves but I'm not that much of a fan of them to be honnest. They are OK for making a brew but cooking is less good. That said I'll have a look. Cheers Grebby
Hey, Grebby, Welcome to CCS, Sir!! All the info you've received from my CCS Mates is good and true! One part of it might especially be fun, actually. Like you, I used to eschew most Meths stoves for cooking. I had used some nasty Meths during my first attempts at using those stoves, and hated the smoky, sooty mess it made. But, later, I found the Optimus 81 Trapper, with which Sweet Bride and I soon fell into deep love!! Works wonderfully, especially when you get to know it, and is even good at cooking, which we do on all campouts! Once I found CCS, more than a few years ago, I slowly became convinced that the Trangia stoves were also very good for more than just brewing up a cuppa! After a very dear Friend here at CCS, and his lovely Lass, kindly and generously sent me the gift of an old and trusted Trangia 27, I soon found that it was a fine bit of kit, fully able to handle any cooking we might like to do whilst out and about!! Yes, the pace is a bit different, but that is really not a problem, when you get used to it, and in fact, rather relaxing. Now, we have also enjoyed a Trangia 25, which I had bought many years ago, and used with that nasty Meths, and we also now own several more Trangia stoves and a few clones. In fact, Meths is one of our favorite fuels! So, for us, the journey to loving and using Meths as a fuel, went from bottom of the heap, to top of the hill, alongside other favorite fuels, like paraffin, and Coleman fuel!!! Now, we trust and enjoy all three fuels, and the stoves that burn them!! Give some of the Meths stoves a squint, and hopefully, a try, and you might just be pleasantly surprised, we were we, all those years ago!! Have fun, and God Bless! Every Good Wish, Doc
I feel the same way about the dragon fly. This was my previous stove and I just got the Jetboil Zip for 60 USD shipped (in the US). It makes a little noise, but not near as bad as the dragon fly. My favorite feature is how efficiently it captures heat from the burner, which means it boils water very quickly. Its also got a stand so it can be used for non-boiling cooking.
Thanks everyone, I had a go at getting an enders from german ebay but was outbid at the last moment. So I decided that as I had just SORNed and claimed the tax back on my caterham I would spend some of the money saved I have now ordered a 111T from kiwi disposals I've now just got to wait for it to travel half way round the world. Cheers Ian
Does the heat exchanger on the bottom of the Jet Boil cup bear a more than casual resemblance to the coils on the bottom of a Simplex Kettle?
My stove has arrived. It was in a bit of a mess when it turned up but Kiwidisposals have given me a credit for a good chunk of the cost. I managed to get it all back together and fire(parafin) it up only to discover that fuel was leaking from around the control spindle. I tightened it up the stuffing bolt but it wouldn't stop the leak. New graphite packing ordered from basecamp and try again. Small leak but nipping up the bolt stopped it . I themn niticed taht the case was collecting fuel. A quick wipe down and repressure seemed to show that it was comming from teh right hand side of the tank somewhere. So I emptied the tank and stripped down the stove. Pumped it up a bit and then put the tank and burner under water. There was a stream of bubbnles from around the pump rod I assume that this means a faulty NRV. How do I get it out and sort it? Cheers Grebby
Yes, its a faulty PIP in the NRV. To remove the NRV you will need a special spanner which is also sold on ebay.uk or one of our members (loco7stove) makes and sells them. For the PIP, you could also order them from the members who sells them over on that side. Alternatively if you have nitrile (viton is much better) you could cut out one yourself. Basecamp also sells the spanner and PIP's. Good luck Ron
