killer thread i just started to play around with my Internationale stoves. i took both of them apart and inspected the innards. the jets pumps and o-rings are easy to replace. i have had no need to use the shaker needle. these two stoves were used by a professional group and i have had no issues, so far work great . i use kerosene in one and Coleman fuel in the other. Great stove. i don't have much trouble simmering on her. i just don't pump her up so much. heats a two quart kettle quickly and does not make much noise. i am hard of hearing so...... the lower loop makes sense for simmering on the old style stoves. as i said great thread thanks for posting buzz
Hi, buzz, Glad you like this thread. If you continue to use kero over the long haul with one of your Internationales, I'd be very interested in hearing how it goes. I know the XGK will go great guns with kero, but I've not tried an Internationale for any length of time with kero. HJ
Made a new and smaller knee today, you may probably make it in any gas resistant material, i had aluminium. Just drill 2 holes forming the 90 deg and hitting each other. 3.2mm drillbit should be ok. mak a third hole hitting the as near as possible to the angel, 0.5mm was the smallest drillbit I could get. this is slightly to big but it works. When the start makes yellow flames about 1 ft. I turn off, when olmost no flames, just open full, and the nice blue flame comes. dsk
Interesting. Very interesting. Would one of your "elbows" work on an MSR pump? I assume it would, yes? Hmm. HJ
It works on my old whisperlite, but it is burning more uneven, it was not satisfying. I cant decide whats best, the two stoves are too different. The Coleman stoves are so easy to use compaired with all other brands, and on same time I have a (stupid?) feeling of "this is not a real stove". More like a propane or butane stove, and yes the apex works perfect on canister fuel. dsk
So, an elbow can be made to work on a Whisperlite with an MSR pump, BUT the elbow doesn't work very well with an MSR pump; am I understanding you correctly?
i've studying the Coleman Fuel formula trying to duplicate it as closely as possible.. somebody asked me why??? i say why not. anyway , the Coleman fuel is very stable as far as longevity in the can. the cost of the ingredients is more than a can of Coleman.!!! i think i will mix Coleman and Kero 1 to 1 and add some lamp fuel wick cleaner and maybe some " paint thinner". paint thinner is obscura with an MSDS i'll figure something out eventually buzz
Buzz said; Methinks Buzz go Boom! Edit- Buzz- the above is my humor. If you can get ahold of wholesale priced naphtha and want to duplicate Coleman, look for a "fuel stabilizer" such as "sta-bil" and add in a minute amount. Probably about as close as you can get!
Its a little off the original topic but this is what I use in 20l drums http://www.damarindustries.co.nz/uploads/pdfs/Fuelite INFO.pdf It doesnt seem to go off except if the lid wasnt tight in which case I dont know where it went.
Yes, but i do not understand why (yet). Later Coleman models has replaced this unit with an aluminium part containg a spring and some kind of a piston. Even harder to understand. We could hope for at least a few people know what they are dooing there Im just sitting here like this: dsk
Methinks Buzz go Boom! Edit- Buzz- the above is my humor. If you can get ahold of wholesale priced naphtha and want to duplicate Coleman, look for a "fuel stabilizer" such as "sta-bil" and add in a minute amount. Probably about as close as you can get! i believe you have it. from what i've discerned from the web. you have it. 50-50 Naptha & Spirits? and a pinch of stabilizer. sta-bil, i'll look for it. all good buzz
http://zenstoves.net/MSDS/Coleman.htm http://www.coleman.com/coleman/msds2.asp On Coleman's website, the second link above, it's a PDF document you have to open. Looks like 100% Naphtha is what they state, but I think we've all been sold the idea that Coleman fuel has stabilizers and anti-rust additives. Hmmm, wonder if those are just properties of "light hydrotreated distillate"??? Sort of like "fuel injector cleaner" turning out to be 95%+ kerosene with a very small amount of "detergents"...
IN Wellington NZ I can get a 20l drum of Calite (as linked above) for $100NZ +GST from Diesel and Turbo. They also sell 1L bottles for $6NZ +GST. Other fuel suppliers are about the same. Its gone up since the last drum was bought. Im sure I paid 87 all up for that.
the Coleman MSDS was somewhat vague. maybe it's time to give Coleman a call??? i'll do it just to see how far i can penetrate the corporate fortress buzz
when i called MSR for a couple of manuals for the Internationale's they said we'll send 'em right out. got 'em three days later. pretty good service. buzz
Coleman fuel is not widly available here in Norway, and extremely expensive. ($10-17 pr liter = 38-64 pr gallon. ) Less expensive: Heptane is the stuff mostly sold as white gas, but e.g. alkylat gasoline is widely used too. dsk
Trying to bring this thread alive, and back on track. Is the hose on my 23yrs old Whisperlate safe? What kind of tube is put there, under the fabric. Do I have something with rubber who may break any time, or is it something made to last? The grey pump i still working, but I if I understand Doc right, it's no reason for using it, it may fail without any warning. dsk
if you have a fabric covered hose on your MSR it is unsafe or very soon will be. Ive looked at a couple where the crimps were no longer tight probably due to perished hose and were likely to leak if used. It can easily be replaced with the new brass covered hose for much less than a new stove and much much less than the dwelling you will burn down trying to use it
