New Military Prototype (MSR Vapore-Jet) 2007

Found this article of a prototype that was being put together by the military. I'm assuming U.S. military, but it could be other, since they are using the acronym PEO. I have an interest in military burners and I was wondering if anyone had seen any progress on this. This wasn't a classic stove, so I didn't think it was appropriate to post in the Stove section, but if the Mods think otherwise, then feel free to move this posting.

http://militarytimes.com/multimedia/video/ausablog/

Here is the article in case the link doesn't work. The picture in the link above links to a video that I can't make work. The following picture does not have a link to a video.


Hot little number
New and improved combat stove
10/10/2007, 4:30 pm


PEO soldier has a slick new stove on display. Called the Extreme Cold Weather Stove, it's designed to burn non-pressurized fuel giving Air Force loadmasters one thing less to fret about when troops board their aircraft. Key to the design is a ceramic pellet that draws the fuel up to the burners without needing a vaccum. The stove burns any heavy fuel and boils a quart of water at altitude in under 5 minutes. Like all the coolest gear here, it's still a prototype so don't toss out that flint and steel wool, just yet.

 

Looks like they developed a stove using the "osmosis" principle to bring up the fuel into the burner therefore does not require a pump. I would think though that this would be a self pressurizing stove as the heat will still be an important factor here (much like the 8R/71/123 type.

I cant play the video either. If someone successfully views the video please let us know.

 

From what I remember MSR was helping make this stove. I haven't heard much past 2007.

It must be in the testing stage or the we don't want to talk about how much this cost the taxpayer stage. I hope it works. One fuel sounds nice. JP-8

Jeff

 

By definition, it cannot be osmosis - I thought the fuel moved from the tank to the burner by capillarity, but I don't know for sure...

 

Yes, capilliary action using special ceramics to generate a vapor without pressuring the fuel was suppose to simplify things. Sounds good, but I'll bet old or dirty fuel raises hell. Here is a description from a few years ago.

http://www.natick.army.mil/about/pao/05/05-27.htm

There seems to have been many delays in bringing the civilian (white-gas) version to market.

 

They should stick with the M1942 and the cookset that goes with it. Good old military trying to make it better when they already have it figured out.

Chuck

 

Having read about this stove development when it's come up previously, I can't help but feel it's a fantastic solution

The only issue I've got is I can't work out what the problem was in the first place

Seems to be new technology for the sake of it. In terms of the stated problem (some vague reference to Air Force Loadmasters having concerns about pressure stoves) if you leave the control valve open on a normal pressure stove you're going to get fuel leakage. If you leave the control valve open on a capillary stove you're going to get fuel leakage. Even if this solves some sort of problem for the military I don't see civillian airlines suddenly treating a capillary stove any differently to a pressure stove?

If it's an "Extreme Cold Weather Stove" you've still got to vapourise and burn the fuel. Don't see that capillary vs pressured delivery will have much influence on that?

Cheers, Graham.

 

Capillary action it is, one of these actually sold on eBay a few months ago, there was a thread about it here somewhere. MSR were supposed to release a commercial version I thought?

 

Richard, interesting, I wonder if it will pass the tea test. I guess Primus has been using the capillary process long before but with cotton as an example would be the 71's and 8R's and other models. Now has moved on to ceramics hopefully it does not break, crack, crumble during usage with new materials and (old) technology.

Ron

 

As much as I love classic stoves I enjoy new technology and will buy a commercial version.

 

It does seem like cool technology to me, even better if it works.

I plagerized this:

"Capillary Force Vaporizer combines capillary force and phase transition to generate powerful jet of pressurized vapor from unpressurized liquid, with no moving parts. When used with consumer products such as fragrances or insect repellant, CFV can disperse active ingredients directly, eliminating need for propellants, fillers, and disposable aerosol cans. When used with liquid fuels, vapor produced by CFV burns like natural gas."

 

Hi,

Check out this Link

An interesting stove... or to be stove.
But looks like you still need to preheat of course.

Jeff

 

The M1942 is a gasoline stove correct? That's the problem. The military has gone over to jp-8 as a universal fuel. JP-8 is very similar to kerosene. Land vehicles use a slightly modified diesel engine to burn it. Aviation Jet engines also use it. This makes the supply management much easier. Many soldiers have gone away from the 1 quart canteens in favor of the bladder style hydration packs. The old trioxane canteen cup cookers no longer make sense. (though in some ways they never made sense) Cold weather units such as New york state's 10th mountain division use several types of off the shelf stoves. I have seen National stock numbers of optimus nova stoves. Additionally there was a post recently about a coleman multifuel with USMC fuel bottles. Both of these will burn jp-8. As stated the tech behind this stove is the capillary vaporizing disk. One of these 'Modular individual water heaters' sold on e-bay a while back. i had hoped the buyer was one of my deep pocketed stove brothers. That way we could get a proper review of the thing.

 

There was in fact one on eBay last April. I saved the photos.

MSR/US Army Capillary Force Vaporizer (CFV) Stove -- Slideshow



The eBay listing said that it had been issued to a special forces unit.

It seems somewhere along the way, the project got derailed. I've seen no new information on CFV stoves for quite some time.

 

If there is an NSN number it's in the system. My son has access to the system so when he contacts me following his training session i'll ask him about it. I do know that many of the stoves in the system were surplussed out or converted to JP-8. We scored several of them, or so i'm lead to believe.

lance

 

Reading what's on the side of the tank I'm amazed to discover that a liquid fuelled stove is a potential fire hazard?

Talk about redundant information and stating the bleeding obvious. If solders are of such a caliber that they have to be reminded a stove is a potential fire hazard let's hope those solders never get themselves into a situation where they might have to think for themselves and make a decision.

Whatever next? Instructions on how to use an army rifle embossed on the stock in braille?

Cheers, Graham.

 

A simple addition of the fireplace
Is still under test to the MSR
Premier Fuel really is like the grain of the drug user














Fuel:

 

It'll be interesting to see if the NSN tells us anything.

They are out there, but for whatever reason there seems to be no forward progress. Love to get my hands on one.

For now, I believe the US Army is continuing to use the Optimus Nova and the MSR Dragonfly as squad stoves.

 

If I remember correctly, we had lots of information about this stove two or three years ago but nothing since.

 

That mekshat.com website has any number of interesting things on it. Too bad I can't read Arabic.