So my kap arctic quest officially begins today. It's a project that i've wanted to start for some time. I'm not in any particular hurry to finish... this'll be a little bit of a tinkering experience for me. I know i can count on you gents if i ever get in a bind and i already have a couple of questions. So today when i returned from the field there was a box from sportsmans guide waiting for me. Inside was one of the swedish military 111t's that recently went for sale. Cosmetically the unit looked well used. the soot looks like it'll clean off. The pump leather was actual leather which means that my other 111t with the o-ring is due for an upgrade. The case is in good condition with the original green paint and decal. I think i'll swap out the case to my old 111t as well. The burner has the clever screw down cap, which is an added bonus for a kap arctic. The valve knob is the older non-multitool version which means that my old 111t is going to lose it's multitool. Oh well. It's not all a rosy picture though. The first thing that i noticed when i opened the case up was that the screws holding the fuel tanke were very loose. Then i noticed that the stuffing box was very bright unsooted brass. (unlike the rest of the burner which is quite sootty.) It seems to me that this is a composite of 'cherry picked' parts. I don't have any problem with them doing that... but i accurately prediced that there would be a flaw in the stuffing box. It's all well and good to pull one and put it on a different stove... but sure enough there was very little resistance when i turned the nob and more alarmingly kerosene leaked out of it when it turned. ok so the burner is non-functional out of the box. Kind of dissapointing. But i'm looking at this as a fettling quest so i guess it's my first hurdle. My plan is to go home and strip the thing apart. If the guts of the burner are all mangled and stripped up i'll call sg and see about a replacement / refund. If it seems saveable i'll probably just try to fix it. This brings us to my first question... Assuming i find a bunch of nice parts with just some missing graphite what should i use for the graphite packing? Where do i get it?
The packing is probly in place, just needs tighting. If not Base Camp has packing. Or use graphite string for steam valves.
Nope... completely gone. I'm intrigued by the graphite string idea. Can you be a bit more specific as to the 'off the shelf' intended use? When i go to the hardware store i should have a better idea of what i'm looking for. (what are the steam valves used for? heating systems ...) Additionally, i discovered that the teeth on the spindle are pretty well destroyed. so it looks like a basecamp order is imminent. I think i found the correct spindle... #2192. Does that seem to be correct? If i did decide to order the graphite from basecamp... what is the model number of the 111t burner (the graphite packing is listed by burner number not stove number)
So i got a reply from katadyn regarding the availablity of the fuel hose... here it is: Piss. I have an unused, new out of the box brunton nova pump. I don't want to buy a new pump. It would violate my sensibilities as a pack-rat. It looks to me like basecamp has the older hoses. better go with that.
graphite string as in from hardware stores is used as packing for gasline fittings - so completely appropriate for campstove use im my use its been noted that it does seem to compact a bit when heated and will need subsequent tightening after a while but works just fine - its just a bit more maleable than the factory packing
What you don't have and can't get, i'll do for you in terms of adapters between this and that. I have more graphite ribbon than i think i'll ever need so i have to spare. So mate: Gather tidbits and when all is there, see what you got and what you need for it to work. Then and not before i can help you out with the missing parts. Who gives a rats a$$ about what hose they use now and what it is compatible to, what you don't have i'll fabricate. Ease on bro and do the kit. The rest is but a PT away
THANKS!!!! So i may take you up on those offers! In the meantime, perhaps a bit of knowledge will help. I went down to the local hardware store and purchased a small length of graphite string. I first screwed the spindle back into the burner. next i spiraled the string around it for a few loops and finally i screwed the outer nut in. At first this didn't work so well and there was a large candle flame sticking out of the spindle assembly. I shut the stove down and added a little more string. I made a clever tool by shaving a match stick into a flat probe for packing the graphite. After the third time i succeeded at getting the stove to light with no candle flame. however, when i adjusted the flame height there was a whoosh and it seemed to me the graphite seal completely failed. a large volume of kerosene (I'm using kerosene instead of coleman fuel, which i think is a prudent move) spurted very suddenly out of the valve and ignited almost immediately. half a box of baking soda later i had a rather sad bit of classic stove under a dusting of kerosene soaked white powder. What am i doing wrong?!
Not enough stuffing! You need enough that when the stuffing box is tightened the string will compacy into a "solid" gasket.
Also, stuffing is put inin a series of butt-jointed rings rather than a spiral. There are detailed pages about this on the web to do with steam engines.
The quest so far... So i've been tinkering with the 111t that i obtained from sportsman's guide. The graphite string didn't work and for a very good reason... I was missing the brass washer as well. After a few PMs it was Gary (AKA Berniedawg) to the rescue! He generously gifted me some some much needed bits and soon the burner was right as rain! I ordered some 1 liter brunton bottles from sierra trading post. At less than $4 each i just couldn't pass them up. (I was originally going to just use the pristine bottle that came with the nova pump) but the deal came along at just the right time. So, a quick review... My 1 liter primus bottle is listed as being made in spain. (paid $15 for that one ) The sierra trading post description listed the country of origin of the brunton bottles as spain. Next to each other they are identical. The dimentions are exact, the only thing that is different is the 'fill to' line is different. I suspect this has to do with the 'flip stop' feature on the various pumps. I sent for the nut and burner ring from 66lat the other day. Everything seemed to be going fine... then today happened. Even though Gary helped me out with the problems the stove had out of the box... i felt obliged as a consumer to complain to SG about the lack of functionality of the $90 stove which was listed as 'very good' condition. I informed them, that the graphite seal was missing and the following day i got an e-mail saying that i'd have a replacement seal within 7 days. wow. That seemed interesting to me because it seems that from my observations here the seals are hard to come by and are more often than not improvised. Also, since the seal destroys itself when removed it couldn't be 'pulled' from an otherwise incomplete stove. So i got home today and there was another complete burner waiting for me!!!!! Nice. So... this means that i can re-assemble the complete stove and still have the burner for the kap arctic!!!! Double nice!!!! The only thing i lack is the flame regulator knob. There's time for that... The quest continues...
Search Fleabay for DaveDJ. He may be able to help you out. If he has a tri-tool it would be a great complement to any 111T burner. I think that he has some 111 pump rods currently listed. He's done me well in the past. AR
"Two from Oregon and one from Finland" Those were the packages waiting for me today when i got back from the field. The two were from Gary who's really gone above and beyond in helping me with this project. Included with this purchase are a multi-tool knob NOS!!! and a replacement for the knackered cleaning needle and a couple of jets to try out. The package from finland was from 66Latitude and contained the adapter and burner plate. Later i'll take a photo of all the bits i've amassed and figure out how to post it without using photobucket Then I'll assemble the burner/pump combo with the fuel line from my working Nova and do a pressure test. FUN!!!! The fuel hose is the bit that's giving me a tough time. Katadyn is out and says that the new line is different... How differen? Anyone have an old and new nova to compare? I may assemble it into my 77 clone to get a first glimpse of the awesomeness. Then in the next few weeks i'll get the cook kit. I'm looking at the Hard anodized 25 kit that comes with the teapot. I wish the duosal was still on the market. Oh well. Any opinions on the choice?
The old and new Nova connectors are entirely different and incompatible. The old one worked, the new one caused the current recall
Very cool!!! I have yet to really use mine in tough conditions. It makes the Trangia set really stand out at camp sites though. Great work! Jeff
Very cool Paul! I don't know if it will help for you to know this, but Brunton is Primus now. Both are owned by "Fenix Group".- https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/7 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brunton,_Inc.
Heya Paul Lookin' good! Glad I could help a bit. Do you have a Trangia kit yet? (No, can't help with that. :smile: ) Which one do you have or which one are you thinking about getting? Just curious. Cheers, Gary
My parts arrived yesterday and I did the same exact test last night. Everything fit together with no issues. However, the 111T burner is pulsing. This burner run fine when configured in it's normal way. Using a Optimus Nova pump (from an early vintage) and burning kerosene I get a great flame as expected but a constant pulse. I'm assuming this is somehow related to the pump and/or bottle. Should note that my particular Nova pump does not have a fuel filter. Rather, a small piece of brass screen in the end of the pick-up line. Going to experiment with some material to damp the flow. If that doesn't smooth things I'll probably switch to the Primus pump setup.
