I posted my 210 in berniedawgs give away, but thought I'd ask a question about it over here. I've had the 210 for some time and its an awfully nice stove. Finally got around to replacing washers and seals a while back and it fired right up. Noticed a small flame coming from around the nipple threads so thought I'd tighten it up a bit. Awfully difficult to do with just needle nose pliars and it wouldn't tighten...just kept on turning. So, the problem is that it won't tighten nor come out of the burner head. I'm hoping that the threads are stripped on the nipple and not inside the head but since I can't get it out I can't tell. What I'm looking for is suggestions to removing the nipple. I'v thought about drilling a hole through the flat side of the nipple and running a wire through it to give me some "up" pressure. Any other suggestions please?? Best, Bob |imgRemoved|
You really need the correct tool to get nipples in and out (a & h should sell them). It is likely the threads on the stove are buggered and the threads on the jet are fine. It is very easy to strip the threads especially when using pliers or if the stove is hot. Drilling a hole like you suggest sounds like a good way to get this jet out. As for what to do next? I would braze a new jet it. But others may have a better solution. Dan
You need one of these guys Link or get the kit that comes with the jet tool and two new jets along with some other junk. The prickers are handy. Jeff
I have the removal tool, but it doesn't grip the nipple, so I can't put any "up" pressure on it. The nipple just spins, either way you turn it. The question is, how to grip the nipple to pull up on it while turning it? Thus the thought about drilling a hole thru the flat part of the nipple and insert a wire to pull up and spin at the same time. I was just looking for anyone that had had the same problem and how they solved it. Thanks, Bob
Bob said So its a loose thread already if it spins in either direction and...does not stop at any point? am racking my brains to come up with a solution and your suggestion might just work. Ron
Don't these burners have a threaded sleeve brazed in for the jet/nipple? If so, that sleeve could have come loose and may just pull out. It looks like an attempt has already been made as it looks pretty beat up as it is. Seems like ChickenThief might have had a similar problem and a fettle for this. sam
I'll look for a Chickenthief fix and thanks for that. Originally, when I noticed the small leak around the nipple, I thought to just tighten it a bit with the needle nose pliars. Of course, all you can do is about 1/32 nd of a turn or so and I noticed then that it wouldn't snug down. Rosebute had an extra tool that he sent to me and I tried it with that for a while which didn't work either. The scaring that you see on the nipple is my attempt to use forcips on it to grip and turn, but that doesn't work either....just not enough room to do anything. Thanks, Bob I found CT's fix on his 210 and its beyond me, above me to accomplish something like that. Looking like a hole thru the nipple may do the trick but not sure what the threads in the burner will look like.
I wonder if giving the top of the nipple a thorough de-grease and a rub with abrasive paper and then gluing a small disk on there might enable you to apply enough leverage. Five minute epoxy, left to set for 24 hrs., would be fairly tough but your prep would have to be very thorough. Having a disk would would mean you could keep a light upward pressure all the time you are turning the nipple. Just a thought. Dave. EDIT.... or maybe you could soft solder a metal disk on if you have the necessary equipment.
I would try "crazy glue" (the stuff that bonds instantly), and glue the UJ jet removal tool to the jet. That would allow you to turn the jet while applying upward pressure with the tool. Once you get it out, you can burn away the glue to release the jet from the tool. Yonadav
I have never used a UJ nipple tool. Do these allow continuous 360 degrees rotation of the nipple - i.e. can you completely unscrew the nipple with one, or are they just used to 'break' the tight fit to allow you to unscrew the nipple with your fingers etc.? If the latter, this could pose a problem if the nipple is super-glued to the tool. Dave.
Just an additional thought .... if you do try the disk method then the upward pressure could be supplied by bending a piece of stiff wire (a bicycle spoke ?) into a tight 'U' around something close to the nipple diameter and use this to 'lift' the disk/nipple. This could be slipped in and would spread the load on the disk lessening the risk of the solder or glue joint coming apart. Dave.
This reminds me of the question: Why do Gorillas have such big fingers? Because they have big nostrils. You can get the UJ tool into most burners I think but it is an effort to find the exact right position of attack. I have no problem getting the jet out but getting it started is always a problem. I like the plastic tube idea and will give it a try.
The UJ tool will turn 360 degrees. (Much like the drive-shaft in your car.) It does require some skill and agility, first to get it in, and then to find the correct angle at which to hold it while turning. I do use it to fully unscrew the nipple. Yonadav
Yonadav, That being the case your suggestion may well work if the glue will hold although I have found that normal viscosity super-glue doesn't like gaps and requires an intimate contact between the surfaces to work well. Texas has nothing to lose by trying it and if it should fail then perhaps he could try a high viscosity version or a two pack fast epoxy. These are also easily removeable with heat. Dave.
I've tried several different ways to grip the nipple, none have worked. Used some nylon string run through the eye of a croaker/gunny/tow sack needle to tightly twist around the nipple and hopefully grip it enough but that didn't work. that needles is a rather large one about 5" long used for sewing feed sacks closed back when....for those that aren't familiar. I've twisted some wire tightly around it in an attempt to get some "up" pressure on it with no luck. Assuming that the nipple is ruined, a glued washer on top or a hole drilled through looks like the only methods. thanks, Bob
This looks like a beast of a problem due to the tight spacing. I haven't dealt with this exact problem but here is a thought that occurs to me. There must be some threads still intact, so upward pressure should be kept on constantly while trying to turn the nipple until good threads can engage with each other. I have backed out small partially stripped bolts by using a sharp knife blade pressed into the spot where the bolt head meets the work surface while turning the bolt. It functions as a wedge forcing the bolt head upwards until it engages good threads or just comes out. In this case maybe a pointed X-acto type blade might work? At least this is a non invasive attempt before trying more drastic measures. Good luck and let us know what works Bob (a different one)
In the same vein as Bob I have used a small spanner / wrench withe a jaw gap the same as the bolt dia and then levered against the bolt head. How about an old fork, cut off some of the tines so you can get it in the gap. you can then get the nipple between two tines and lever whilst turning the nipple. Neil
Sliding a blade in was my first thought as that has worked for me in the past with similar problems but looking at the photo's there doesn't seem to be a gap between the nipple and the seat. That is why I suggested gluing or (preferably) soldering a small disk on top of the nipple and applying a constant upward force with a piece of stiff wire or fine stiff rod. Dave.
Just took a closer look and there is no "shoulder" to get anything under. There is a hint of one thread visible but not enough to get a sharp edge under or in to. The nipple is wobbley, for lack of a better word, meaning its lose. I'm off for the weekend so will get to it later. Thanks for all of the thoughts. Bob
I examined a couple of nipples in my spares box, and they do have a shoulder above the threads. I did some experimenting with two of the possible methods for applying upward pressure. First, I glued a nipple to my UJ tool. After the glue dried, I could easily lift a 500 g weight tied to the nipple. I'm still not sure that the glue will not break as a result of the twisting torque. I then put the nipple in a spare burner that I have (sorry, it's a silent, not a roarer). The photo shows how I could insert the tip of a small screwdriver under the nipple shoulder while turning with a UJ tool. Yonadav Nipple close up: Glued:
