My local Lidl (Sussex) has got one litre bottles of BBQ Lighter Fluid at £1.99. Label says 'Naptha (Petroleum), Hydrotreated, Heavy (EC 265-150-3)'. Label is in English and Danish so it may be only available in UK/Eire and Denmark. Don't know if it is of use to anyone, just thought I'd give a 'heads up'. Terry
I wonder if you could use it in the 71/80 stoves like white gas & for that price who cares you can still use it on the BBQ if not Stu
I doubt it will work in a 71 or 80 stove Stu being BBQ fluid i would think it would have a flash point equal or more to paraffin
Probably won't work in a 71/80 or similar stove, but might be OK in a “regular” Primus – going by the EC number (which is the same as the CAS number in the states) that’s listed for this product (EC # 265-150-3, same as CAS # 64742-48-9), this stuff is basically kerosene or paraffin. EC # 265-150-3/CAS # 64742-48-9 is a “heavy” naphtha, with a listed boiling point in the range of ~140 C - 200 C. The naphtha that’s used for 71/80 and similar stoves (white gas, Coleman fuel, VM&P Naphtha, Shellite, etc.) is a “light” naphtha, with a lower boiling point range (~50 C - 135C) than kersosene/paraffin. If you compare the properties for Coleman fuel (CAS # 68410-97-9, EC # 270-093-2) with that for kerosene (CAS # 64742-48-9, EC # 265-150-3), you’ll see the differences between them. Basically, the difference is the number of carbon atoms per molecule – “light” naphtha has fewer carbons (~6), and “heavy” naphtha has more (maybe double that number).
I would do a couple of burn tests outside on pooled liquid and wetted-wick BBQ fluid before risking it in a stove. If its a bit too lively then you dont want to be venting its vapours out of the tank of a hot 210
I'm pretty sure that Rik uses BBQ Fluid in his paraffin stoves. He's posted on another forum - Bushcraft UK - that he gets his from Wilkinsons at a very good price too. I may just pop in to my local Lidls for a shufty!!!
I used the US equiv in my Hiker, ... strangest damn thing; it ran like a stabbed rat, but the flames were RED. I mean cheap date lip stick red, you know? That $20 date that no one fesses up to? No damage to jet, burner or flame plate that I cld find, but the colour creeped me out so I stoppede... was just about to try it in my 9060. As to the 80/71/8R/123... you get the picture, yeah, it shld work fine.
BBQ fluid would work in a paraffin stove but not in a petrol stove IE a 71 or 80 BBQ fluid is basicaly paraffin it smells like it when it is poured on BBQ charcoals and it wont lite with just a match on its own unless it is either hot or soaked on a wicking material like on paper or on the charcoal,if the flash point was lower and it could be used in a 71 stove then it would be to volatile and dangerous to use to start a BBQ, the only thing is useing BBQ fluid in a standard paraffin pressure stove is will it build up more carbon as the flash point may be higher than standard paraffin
I guess the dif tween UK and US is BBQ fluid here is Naptha, so no prob. If it IS parafin there, er, yeah, not so good an idea
If the label is English and Danish.... The name Petrolium is used when describing Kerosine in Denmark ....
The Danish bit says 'Naphtha[sic] (raolie) hydrogenbehandlet, tung (EF 265-150-3)'. I've always understood that BBQ fluid in the UK is Paraffin/Kerosene. This is the first I have seen marked as Naptha. Just done a sniff test and it is virtually odourless, slight whiff of stagnant water! Poured a small amount into a saucer and could not light it with a match, so I guess it must be Paraffin/Kerosene.
Naphtha is really a range of liquid hydrcarbon mixtures, from heavy to light. I don't want to say that it's a jargon term, but it doesn't apply to a single specific product. The type of naphtha depends on its characteristics (# of carbon atoms, boiling point, etc.). In the states, BBQ (charcoal) lighter fluid is mostly Stoddard solvent, which is a heavier hydrocarbon mixture and tends to smell somewhat of kerosene - at least, moreso than light naphtha does. I *think* the types of charcoal lighter fluid that are advertised as "odorless" (which they're not, really - they just stink less) are a mix of Stoddard solvent and light naphtha to cut the kerosene smell, or are just refined more to remove the aromatics. Charcoal fluid runs ok in a Whisperlite Int'l. Never tried it in my Svea (not gonna, either!).
I think the reason I got away with it was I was using it in a Hiker. it's built in dualfuel/one jet tech being the factor... didnt matter what was in the fuel as long as it was not spirits or water
These fuels have been compared and discussed on another forum I'm member of. They seem very similar to lamp oil, and will work in a pinch, but isn't to be considered a preferred fuel. Carbon build up, and poor cold weather performance, with risk of it partly solidifying, as I recall.
That's exactly the same as in Swedish is called "Tung, väteavsvavlad Nafta" (where väteavsvavlad sometimes is called vätebehandlad, just as in the Danish word), and it is just simply the same as White spirit. (Is that perhaps the same as the Stoddard solvent mentioned above?) I have been running an old Primus 1020 with WS over a long period now, just to test how much carbon the WS will build up. Guess it's soon time to check the vapouriser, but it actually still runs very good with appr. close to a hundred hours of burning on this fuel. It smell more than "real" paraffin when lit, though...
Yeah, I was using lampoil in my '57 210, Nordicthug came to the rescue with white vinigar and an aircompressor
