I am quite sure this has only been test fired, no sign of burning on pot supports, or central tube etc. Juwel 33 3 bar eagle
Bryan I think so, but I have nothing to prove it. Perhaps a German Military historian will see it one day. Regards Ian
You don't have to be a German military historian to know what the WaA stamp is! The WaA stamp is quite common, and you see it often on German products meant for the military (and not only between 1933-45). WaA stands for Waffenamt, and was the control organ for military material. The number in some way refers to where, but mainly by whom the product was approved. You see it on everything from Mausers to carbide lamps. I have some WaA stamped items, and if I for an example take this carbide lamp, the number 387 after WaA tell me that it might have been made in Köln 1936-40, but it's not an exact system for the date or location since the stamps were personal for the inspectors rather than the factories or districts. If an inspector changed location, the WaA stamp did too. (Also Here if you are registered at CPL.) I don't know if they added the swastika to the German eagle directly after the Nazis took command, but it's reasonable to assume that it took place pretty soon, so around 1933 (or the odd years after that) to 1945 for WaA stamps that also has the swastika. I have the codes at home, so I don't know what the number 870 on your stove tell us, but I will have a look when I get back from work. Otherwise I'm sure you will find a list somewhere online if you search for Waffenamt. This is the stamp on the bakelite carbide lamp:
Christer - my comments were tongue in cheek. Research is not an area in which I am particular good at. It stresses me out, something which I dont need. I much prefer to put images on, with enough detail, to enable the viewer, to do their own research if they wish or in this case, someone like yourself, who has the knowledge. I plant the seed, so to speak. Bajabum I havent got a clue about the three and four bar. Cheers Ian
As far as I know, the Juwel 33 was used (probably amongst others) by the German Alpine troups. Most Wehrmacht soldiers used the Esbit foldable heaters. Best regards, Wim
This is a quote taken from the book "Deutsche Soldaten", from the Andrea Press, by Agustin Saiz. " Bigger and more effective than the 'Esbit' were some other field stoves that were not intended for individual use. Though able to be carried in knapsacks of just one soldier they were able to heat the meals of between 4 and 6 soldiers. It was issued mainly to elite forces-mountain troops for example-and, apart from being used as mere stoves they were also used as heaters. The more popular models were the Arara 37, and Juwel 33, both by the same manufacturer. They were based on a civilian Swedish stove, the Svea 123 that had been very popular with campers before the war.
Ok, it's a stove so something mundane and not nazi regalia, but I for one wouldn't care to own anything with that hateful, disgusting regime's stamp on it. CCS member Teletim gave us a poignant image of another stove from that era when he visited Oświęcim in Poland, known to the nazis (and now notorious to us all) as Auschwitz John
Personally Presscall, I dont give a rats arse, what you think. No matter how disgusting a regime, it may have been, that was then, this is a stove of stove history. There are many disgusting regimes present today, that still have Nazi demonstrations - but that is not what the stove is about.
That's too bad, Ian. Sorry I couldn't go along with the 'what a cracking stove, cracking piece of history' theme. Associations with a toxic regime, then as now, are inescapable - unless someone 'doesn't give a rat's arse' of course. John
I guess it's all a matter of viewpoint in time, and viewpoint in geography. There's plenty of people in the world that would consider my British and American stoves as representing a toxic regime. Some Pakistanis might well consider my Indian stoves the same way. Some Vietnamese people might loathe the thought that someone collects Coleman stoves of that era..... If Iani hadn't shown that specific piece of detail on his Jewel then everyone would have ooh'd and ahhh'd the same as normal. I view it the same way as him - it's just a piece of history. How do you know your No.12 wasn't used by a British soldier that has abused civilians in Iran or Afganistan? How do you know that any stove of any war time era wasn't used by an individual who considers the Genveva Convention the product of a bunch of nanny States? Just a thought..... Cheers, Graham.
I don't believe that owning a piece of Nazi history is in any way celebrating or condoning that regime. If we destroy all such items, are we not erasing history? A forum dedicated to the history, restoration and use of classic stoves cannot exclude part of that history however unpleasant. Do we exclude all WW2 stoves made in Japan and Italy? Provided that a stove's links to any particular country or regime are not glorified, I can see no problem in possessing or posting such a stove. If we are to go through life avoiding all links with the Nazi regime, where do we draw the line? Should we stop buying Hugo Boss, who designed and made SS uniforms and the uniforms for the Hitler Youth? Should we stop buying BMWs, who made 30,000 engines for the Luftwaffe and who's 50,000 workforce at the end of the war comprised 50% forced labour from the concentration camps? Ditto Porsche. We are all entitled to our opinions, but I feel that the public castigation of a member for simply posting images of his stove is a little uncalled for. Regards, Terry
To TD's point, the following is from Wikipedia: "Volkswagen was originally founded in 1937 by the Nazi trade union, the German Labour Front (Deutsche Arbeitsfront)." Volkswagen Group now includes Audi, Bentley, Bugatti, Lamborghini, Porsche, SEAT, and Skoda. I have to own up to owning a Nazi car. My wife drives a SEAT Leon. Mmmmm, am I on a double whammy, was SEAT founded by Franco...... Cheers, Graham.
