These two ultra sooty MSR Whispherlites where delivered today. I bought them by their photos, thought they where the same but notice the burner caps are different, the wire cleaning rope is bigger in one than the other, over all one is a bit bigger than it's mate. No doubt you have notices the fraying braid on one, it is fabric that has been abraded, any thoughts on how to replace it with the brass braid as with the other? I am told these where ran on petrol, goodness me they are filthy, had to wear gloves to get them out of the bag. I am not adverse to dirty hands but this was fluffy greasy soot. Intending to do a full service on them along with the pump that was in the parcel. Pump looks grotty and recent, has a www. address on it. Any suggestions to age, one has the numbers msr 0405 stamped on the fuel connector. Once again TIA Sooty B Fingers and nose tonight
G'day Sootyfingers, They are both MSR whisperlites, the one with the small diameter generator is the first model, this one has to be run only on the purest shellite you can get your hands on, if that generator becomes clogged it could be really bad news. the second one is the later whisperlite international which has a multi fuel capability, this one has the larger generator tube, again either use good quality kero or shellite, you're supposed to change it's jet for kero, it's possible that the number you see is a date stamp. Regarding your Gustav Barthel look alike, be interesting to know what that does on a boil test as compared to a Trangia on metho. Best wishes=Johnno. ---------------------- If in doubt, brew up.
May need to contact MSR/Cascade Designs for a replacement fuel line, they come up now and then on the bay of evil. The easiest fix is the whole line, from the jet to the pump. Doc says the Int'l will clog up quickly if run on kero. Duane
This is an old contact but I suspect Cascade Designs(MSR) is still doing a rebuild. Pricing has most likely changed from what they quoted in 2009 https://classiccampstoves.com/posts/114309 Fettling Forum - SubForums could use an extra topic for factory contact info like this AR
Greetings, Sir, I agree with those who say to contact MSR for a total fuel line replacement. Safest thing to do with those old, cloth-covered rubber fuel lines. Or, you can do what a few others have done, and use special automotive hoses, with brass mesh covers, to do the job yourself. Dicey, if you don't have your wits about you, though.... As to the International, The first version, which is the oldest, is the one that cannot burn kero on a regular basis, without getting gunked up and useless. The later versions, like yours, are a good bit better. But, I'd still recommend you prime with Meths, and not kero. If you do that, and your kero is clean and good, your International should work well for you. But, in literature with the early version, MSR said that you could prime with kero, and so that's what I tried to do, at first. That stove died on us, despite meticulous cleaning and maintenance!! MSR later admitted to me that the original version was not really meant to be a true "multifuel" as it had been advertised. So, take care of your International, prime with Meths, and clean often, and your stove should run well for you. As to the other one, as has been stated already, do NOT try to burn anything else but Coleman fuel, or Shellite, as I think you have Down Under, and replace that fuel line as soon as you can. Using the older ones with the original fuel lines, especially when they are in need of repair, is a recipe for disaster!! Have fun, and God Bless! Every Good Wish, Doc
Another note. Some CS reps at Cascade Designs may offer you a discount on a new stove if you send the old one in. If you collect old stoves like we do, that may not be an option you desire. Ask for other options if they say that, or call back another day, and speak with someone else. I say that because that was the offer about my MSR Firefly. I fixed it myself instead. Ken in NC
Doc Mark said, Sooty's a shiela Doc. I've a spare brass covered fuel line I'll send over as the swap for the old one, which I'll refurbish. Fuel pump connector at one end, pre-heat loop and jet housing at the other. Quest over. John
Good Morning, Sooty, Oops! Sorry about that, Ma'am! John has offered a fine solution to your dilemma, and he more than has the skills to do just fine in refurbishing your old fuel line into workable condition for his own use somewhere down the line. He's a good man and very trustworthy. Good luck, and let us know how all this turns out, when the deed is done. Take care, and God Bless! Every Good Wish, Doc
Thanks for outing me Presscall Doc, it doesn't really worry me, sir/madam I grew up in a family of men with a Dad who found it easier to treat us all the same (pity about that when it came to women inheriting property). Dad and the boys where all bush engineers, so I grew up learning to fix things and encouraged to see how things worked, thus one of my passions, stoves! I enjoy numbers, design and simple engineering, most of all things that just work. The most useful gadget in the kitchen is a knife. Happy Hunting Sooty
G'day Sootyfingers, That's a lovely photo taken with a fire, just wants a proper brew to go with it, here's the topic I started called 'Brewing up a storm with the RAF'. https://classiccampstoves.com/posts/251118 Stu,(Loco7stove) added a good piece to the topic as he was in the RAF & the you tube video he posted was interesting to watch, however, this is all about having a nice brew in a very nice location & being blessed with good weather. Now that you've had 2 MSR Whisperlites follow you home/found their way into your car, are you going on the hunt for an MSR XGK, there's a good post on the type here. https://classiccampstoves.com/threads/20654 I can assure you that one of those stoves is a real blast, if you find one with the 4 seperate pan supports, a good idea is to shorten them so they just clear the generator tube or fit a later X shaped pan support, of interest to you is that the stove will burn kero nicely, means that you haven't got to keep shelling out for shellite to quench that stoves thirst. Best wishes=Johnno. --------------------- If in doubt, brew up.
Good Evening, Pineapplerose, I love your post about all this, Ma'am!! And, my hat is doffed to you for getting in there and digging into stoves, and many other things, I'm betting! We have a Gal in our Living History group who is a much better "woodsman" than most any of our Guys! She hunts deer with her flintlock rifle, skins them, butchers them, then tans their hides with the deer's brains, and smokes the hides. If that wasn't enough, she dyes porcupine quills with earth pigments, and does lovely quillwork on the bags and such that she handsews out of the smoked hides! I trust her, completely, in the woods, and love hanging out with her. Some of our Guys gave her "what for", until she smoked them in woods skills, then they shut their traps and learned what she could teach them!! Sounds like you are cut from very similar cloth, Sooty, and I love that!! AS to giving women their due respect, I was brought up in Texas, where many of our Gals did hard work every single day. However, my Grandmother, and other relatives, would have beat me black and blue if I didn't call each one of them, "Ma'am" and the men "Sir". Just part of growing up when and where I did, I guess, but I rather like it, and still practice it to this very day! Thanks, very much, for your comments, and the great photo, and I'll look forward to reading your comments any time you feel like posting them. Take care, and God Bless! Every Good Wish, Doc
Sooty's 'swap' fuel hose reached me first. The frayed outer fabric sheath is well gone and the inner rubber hose has age hardened and isn't likely to remain fuel tight at the hose barb ends for much longer, if not already gone The hose and clamp fittings resemble the arrangement on my Firefly, on which the hose is fortunately in better shape and remains flexible and fuel tight To begin the job of replacing the hose, this type of clamp connector has to come off at each end of it That done, the component parts are laid bare The hose barbs are pretty chunky - much too large for the internal diameter of the flexi-hose length I had in my workbox that I thought I'd be able to replace the old one with, so I'll have to go shopping for something to suit and that'll be another day No engraved markings on any face of the pump connector block incidentally, which is the case with my Firefly also John
Hi John, I would have thought the Honda motorcycle fuel hose would be ideal for the job, it's a black hose with a red line running along it's length, it's stocked by David Silver spares, if you look on the home page, you'll see fuel tube in a box on the page, I would have thought the 3.5mm size is ideal, it comes in 1 metre lengths, just leaves you to sort out the outer braid. Best wishes=John. --------------------- If in doubt, brew up.
Thanks John, that's useful to know. I had in mind some armoured hose from a local supplier that'll be a lot cheaper than the Honda stuff at 50p for a foot length (or the £1 I paid to go in the charity box!) I made up a couple of hoses for my and Big Si's Coleman Apexes from the foot length Coleman Apex fuel hose replacement John
Hi John Would you be inclined to use stainless overbraided hose like some other stove manufacturers to give it that cool i can work anywhere look just need to work out what inner you'd need as nitrile wouldn't last too long with white gas Stu .
That stuff I used for the Coleman Apex is holding up well (the inner core is rated for fuel and oils) and looks pretty workmanlike I reckon. John
