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  1. Ed Winskill

    Ed Winskill United States Subscriber

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    And let's not forget the classic woodburners!

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    Stove's a Four Dog. I think the woodies are underappreciated!

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  2. Ed Winskill

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    Then we have the lightest backpacking stoves of all: just bring matches or a lighter:

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  3. Stonehopper

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    You're missing a 'Stovepipe' hat Ed! It's Abraham himself!

    Great camp!

    Shame we seemed to have frightened snafucc away :(
     
  4. snafucc

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    The stand is 24 inches high, the legs and cook top are cast iron, the fill pot and burner base is copper and the drip pan is tin. I will post pictures from the top this afternoon.
     
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    Wow. That's a pretty big one then.

    I guess you already found the Bon-Ami with (claimed) Kerogas burners when you searched, but I'll post the link here anyway.
    Perhaps the pictures can help in identifying your missing parts.
    Drip jars seem pretty common on eBay, so I guess it's possible to find the right one.

    It's an interesting burner system.
     
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  6. snafucc

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    Thank you.
     
  7. Ed Winskill

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    I can fix that!
    Here's the 35-year-old version:
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    Here's the more recent version:

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    Hi snafucc

    I could not find your exact stove, but have found Kerogas documents with the same or very similar components.

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  9. snafucc

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    Here is the top view of the burner itself, and it appears just to have a small copper bowl to hold the kerosene. Quite a puzzle! The top plate measures 15 and 7/8 inches across. I do appreciate the help on this. Great information! Sorry having problems with the pictures.
     
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    Making sure we understand right. On the above numbered picture you are looking into part 23. This means you are missing parts 4 5 20 and 29-2.
    The way these work is that the valve on the bottom of the glass jar lets fuel fill a bowl under the jar untill air cannot flow back into the jar. This allows fuel to flow through the pipe into another bowl under the burner with the level set by the bottom of the glass jar. The wick soaks up the fuel so you can light it. The wick can only be lit with the top part of the burner removed but it is then put back in place and the flame heats the inner and outer liners until they are near red hot. Air is drawn up inside the inner liner and mixes with akll the vapours released by the kero burning on the wick. Kero burning on a wick only burns about 30% of the kero with the rest being relesed as unburnt kero vapour This is reignited at the top of the burner giving a much cleaner burn and quite useable heat.
     
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    Very clearly stated Gary - but I don't think any comments made after your first post really count as beating up. It's not my place to speak for the posters who made the comments but I'm sure that wasn't their intention.

    If that's classed as a beating up in parts of the USA maybe that's why we don't need guns in the UK? :lol: & yes - I'm being humourously controversial - I hope.

    Wicks stoves - more trouble than they're worth! :lol:
     
  12. snafucc

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    Here's some pictures!!
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    snafucc

    I can't see very clearly from the pictures of your burner. Is it anything like this jobby? The 3 images are of a British Coheat - its pre-heat/boiling times are comparible to any pressure stove.

    Steve - Shedman and I some months before he died were talking about what we would take with us to the grave and this was my choice.

    This type of burner has been around at least since the 1920's - I think originally German?

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  14. Ray123

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    It looks like your burner could be complete. Shag's burner breakdown and parts list is very helpful. Combustion on these stoves takes place between the 2 perforated burner sleeves. (parts 4 and 5 of Shag's illustration). Vaporized fuel from the wick is mixed with air and produces a nice hot flame and efficient burn. Modern portable kerosene heaters still use this technique. Most likely you'll need a #20 kerogas wick which Shag has been nice enough to post a picture of. www.milesstair.com stocks wicks for all things kero. Of course first you'll need to get a fuel bottle with the plunger top. You'll also have to check to see if the fuel line hasn't rusted.

    You should be able to get this working if you want to. You'll have to sink money into it. If it's worth it or not is only your call.

    Cheers
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    I found this as a yard ornament, basically rusting away. With your help I can now restore it. Thank you again!
     
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    :lol: :lol:
    Yes, I did get a larf out of that, Ross. Thanks! :) I don't own any guns but I don't give a rip if others do. None of my business, I reckon.
    I imagine that such concerns are different in the UK, perhaps because the land area of the entire UK could easily fit into my home state of Oregon and still have some room left over for, oh, I don't know, maybe the Falkland Islands, too? ;)
    Living in such a crowded space probably makes for different sorts of rules and concerns, I'd guess. :shock: :-k

    Big bravos go out to all that stepped up (especially Trevor! :clap: ) with some real on-topic info to help get snafuccs stove restored and operating again. I look forward to seeing it derusted, repainted, properly appointed and merrily burning in the new Wick Stove Area. ;) :lol:

    Snafucc, you could look through the CCS site here using the "Google Site Search" function for information on "electrolysis" for removing your rust. Involves tanks and water, chemicals and electricity.
    Lately, for steel parts that are heavily rusted, I've been finding that glass-bead blasting can be an effective solution for proper rust-removal from steel parts before repainting. My local shop just blasted the large diamond-plate aluminum seats in my drift boat for a mere $45USD. (It knocked down the mirrored effect of the metal to reduce that bright glare on our rare sunny days.) You may find it's worth your time to spend the extra dough to have the steel parts of your stove taken care of in such a way by a local shop in your area. Saves you a lot of energy and gives a better finished result.
     
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    Thank you sir, may take me several months but I will post it running properly.
     
  18. Sparky

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    Many years ago, the railroad industry chose to ignore the effect of truck freight, dismissing it because they were not railroads. The truck lines were just transport lines, lacking the history and romance of the railroads. The railroad industry almost went out of business due to competition from truck freight but finally concluded they were in the transportation industry, not the railroad industry. If we choose to exclude certain stoves, we limit our appeal to a wider audience. My primary interest is brass pressure stoves but I enjoy reading about and collecting a variety of stoves.
     
  19. Ed Winskill

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    It's a very true point, Sparky, and at the same time, the railroads had a romance that other transportation can't seem to touch. I used to load RR mail cars out on the docks in the 1960s, then we'd have a glass around the old oil drip stove in the last car....

    Then there was getting dropped of the train at Stampede Pass in the midwinter Cascades, courtesy of our Northern Pacific dispatcher scoutmaster.

    And, I think, this is why people want expensive rail systems in their cities when busses work and are orders of magnitude cheaper.

    Same with pressure stoves vs. wickies. But while the "romance" is real, it's hard to articulate why....
     
  20. snafucc

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    Bravo, very well said!