That's a bit of a generalizing comment. I'm a "boatie", as you call it. It's hard to not be when you live by the sea. But frankly I can't relate to any of the stuff you describe here when lumping a very large and diversified crowd together as a sort of homogeneous mass. Most people where I live has a boat or two, but I'm yet to meet a person who keep a wallet photo of it Or can't shut up about it... Or keep a web log... That actually sounds more like a stove collecting/repairing nut to me.
That's because you are Swedish, Christer! Bryan is American and comes from my neck of the woods. Cultures are different. Even among boaties. (BTW, I note that your off-topic and critical comments come late on a Friday evening again.) Anyway, I very much enjoyed hearing more about Bryan's background. Turns out he and I may have been in St. Pete right about the same time. Charley Morgan was (is?) a rather big fish in that area and it's interesting that Bryan was working for him upon a time. We sure all heard a lot about Morgan Yachts when I was growing up there as a kid out on the beach. I'm really looking forward to those boat pictures. Thanks for the update Bryan!
Yeah, BernieDawg, it was great working for Charley, and when I was last in contact, he was going strong. It amazes me how many old Out Island 41's are still out here. I worked as his Design Associate, this after he had sold off Morgan Yachts, but sadly I caught him at a low point in his life. His wife Sally had been struggling with cancer and died while I was employed in his office. It was sad. She was a great lady and Charley's soul mate. I felt privileged to know them. But living and working in St. Pete was a positive experience for me. With Charley, we designed a 52-ft catamaran for a charter outfit in China. A 35-ft racing sloop. And I re-worked and modernized the interiors for his West Indian line of custom trawlers. On the weekends I ate raw oysters and drank Rolling Rock at The Wharf in Pass-a-Grille. Life was good! Bry
So it seems. Seriously though, It's a bit pity that some must sink themselves to a level where they has to imply that others are drunk when they can't find a better argument. Oh, well... luckily it actually says more about them, I guess. Oh, my. It's 23.30 here in Sweden as I post this! Then I guess I'm drunk again, right Gary? Or could it be that some of us don't always has the time to spend here daytime, so the evenings are better suited?
Heya Bry Growing up on the beach in the 1960's we'd get great big bowls of peelers at what is now called The Wharf. For those not in the know, "peelers" are shrimp boiled up in "shrimp boil", spices and herbs, and tossed hot and steamy, heads, legs and all into a bowl. Then, you'd snap off the heads and peel the legs and shell off 'em. Munch, munch, yum, yum. The whole corner of property where The Wharf is located now next to the Vina Del Mar bridge was where the shrimpers came in to unload. This was before the dredging to make all the BayWay Isles and Tierra Verde sorta killed the shrimping industry in the Bay. In the seventies I did all my oyster eating at Oyster Shuckers up on Blind Pass. It's since moved, but used to be where The Sloppy Pelican is now. You probably know about the Hubbards from being in the area. I lived just just north of the Don and hung out with some of their kids growing up. We lived at opposite ends of Case Blanca. That was back when Capt. (Wilson) Hubbard did charter fishing out of Pass-A-Grille from the pier right across from The Seahorse on 8th St. I'm still looking forward to those boat pictures when you get a chance, Bry. I really would appreciate seeing your boat. Thanks in advance. {admin edit}
Well it would seem Bry is untypical of BD sea-going acquaintances & as low key as the Swedes but interesting to hear his story now he's responded to a request for more info. Nice one Bry! Great to hear a bit more about your boat & experiences. Looking forward to seeing some pics! Try & include the stove!
And, to rephrase the second half of my post above that has been redacted by Ross (to protect the innocent, or guilty, I'm not sure which). I'm really sorry that I "generalized" and offended some (very easily offended) people on this list. I really do know several live-aboard cruiser types who do have some of those things (blogs, wallet photos, web pages). Since Bry was being quiet about his boat, I really thought a little encouragement to show it would be in order. And, look what interesting things have come about! I hope we'll see some photos, though. Again, truly sorry that some people are so very sensitive about things like "generalizing". It's the sort of "sensitivity" I have trouble understanding unless alcohol is involved, but perhaps there is some other explanation for why it seems like a good idea to harass me over such small stuff. Repeatedly. Over several (plus) threads. Ya know, ya can't like everyone in this world. It'll make ya unhappy to try. Lighten up. 9PRuW9ugnco[/media]]Be Happy!
If Christer's post seems like harassment you are correct - way too much sensitivity in this thread. Insinuating the staff team are under the influence of alcohol is a little harassing in of itself. To disagree with something you say can be done sober - believe me. I guess we should all try not to be over sensitive & your's is sound advice that 'ya can't like everyone in this world' but that's never prevented CCS being a cordial place to meet - especially in the main stove sections. Sadly I'm noticing this changing over the last year & members being called out if they make a mistake with their facts or theories. The CCS way is to educate - not to belittle. I've tried myself not to be over sensitive. Like others, to me it seemed you were calling Bry out to prove his credentials, even if the language used could be defended as doing no such thing. Trolling even. Not really the tone we are used to in CCS. Bry has replied & seemingly without offence so my judgement seems to have been correct there. It's difficult with some people, cultures etc - many are so brash & direct one second & then very sensitive the next. So yes, you can't like everyone in the world & there's no need to try but it is possible to keep the dislike off the forum.
Oooookaaaay. Thanks for sharing your opinions on this thread, Ross. I have to confess that I do not understand what you just said. I don't mean that I take issue with it, although some of it, I might - if I could be sure of what you are trying to say. Which, I'm not at all sure. What I mean is that I don't understand the way you write, the language. It's so... ambiguous, abstruse, ill-defined, vague, full of potential double(triple!)-meaning. And, I don't mean that as a criticism of you or your writing, but as a frank acknowledgment that I am not refined or complex enough to understand the language you choose to use. And, also, that I don't possess the intellectual acumen or ability (or time or desire) to do the mental gymnastics that you must have to employ to speak in this way. Sadly, there is no "complicated ambiguous meaning" setting on Google translate. For me, it's about simple, honest and true. Sorry, I'm not more refined and complex. I don't get "implied meanings". I'm just not that smart. For me (Mr. Simple)... I like boats. I have lots of boat stoves. I actually helped Bry in this thread by pointing out the "elephant in the room" - that he likely wouldn't ever solve his stove issues and would be better off with a different set-up. I helped him with real data about threads and threading. About fuels and cap design. About simmering and fuel/air flow. And, in return, I asked to see his boat and tried to be encouraging to him about other boat owners commonly bragging on their boats. (I never asked for his professional credentials or career info, though that is what he provided. Doesn't really matter to me, frankly.) I just wanted to see his boat. I like boats. I was thinking about helping him some more with his boat stove - I had some additional options in mind. But, now, I'm thinking after what I'm feeling was (another) mod beat-down maybe I'll be done with helping Bry. Again, my apologies for having done something (???) that ruffled so many mod feathers. I am sorry I do not understand how to speak the way you and the mods want me to. I still don't understand why I was a bad person in all this. Oh, well. Moving along... 8)
I've been working with Bryan off-list to get some pictures for readers to view here at CCS. Here they are. Bryan tells me he'll be along to caption them in a bit. I have offerred to work with Bryan to get him some reclaimed Svea #1915 regulated silent burners. He prefers to try to rethread the bases of his unthreaded Patria regulated silent burners. I will leave the continuation of the story and the captioning of the photos to Bryan. Enjoy! 8) Cheers, Gary
Mostly saying thank you BD and Bry. Very nice, AND reviewing Bry's comments and seeing stove in-place, in-use did conjure up a comment. I am wondering about this: w/tank relocated is this stove now not original parts or modified, specifically tank, pressure & fuel delivery? Is improper burn taking place at some point for any # of reasons? Is this suspect to contributing to, as Bry says, burner "burnin up"? In burner pic it's a yellow flame below right? and not a reflection? I'll await Bryan's burner pic caption or comment. Would running a stove during a real dense fog, salt water fog thick as pea soup would that corrode burners? here's improper burn BD recently shared on CCS http://www.ebay.com/itm/22149335288...l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT#ht_650wt_1107
A random thought. As has already been said silent burner caps run hottest at simmer and this stove is used to simmer a lot. This wont help the burner pipes but wont make it worse either but might save a few caps. Do you simmer on both burners simultaneously? If not would changing one for a roarer reduce that? A roarer at low power isnt that noisy.
Sorry for the delay. No internet in the third world yesterday. A big thank you to BernieDawg for getting these photos uploaded to the CCS server. I tried twice and was unsuccessful. Probably a Third World Issue but very frustrating. Anyway, BernieDawg to the rescue! This first photo is the boat at anchor with South Cat Cay, Bahamas, in the background. Boat is pretty basic in design but quite narrow, at ten feet, by today's standards. This makes her a better sea boat at the expense of some accommodations. Next, here's the Captain at anchor! Looks like he made a stop by the rum locker on his way to the dinner table. The boat is nicely finished below decks. You don't see solid woodwork like this on production boats anymore. Nice comfortable boat to live on. Here's the Force Ten stove, double burner with oven. They are built in Vancouver, Canada, but not in kerosine anymore. I never had much luck with the oven and my wife bakes bread on a top burner using a couple of stainless pie plates clipped together like a clam shell. Works real well and it's much easier to clean pie plates than ovens! I was lucky enough to stock up on burners when they were cheap, many years ago and that's kept me going since 1992, when I installed the stove. Ok! This burner is only four months old. Right out of the bubble wrap! As you can see, on the left side under the burner cup, the yellow flame. This baby has started leaking! With access to a workshop I guess it would be an easy fix. But after only four months, this is unacceptable. I don't know when the folks in Portugal went out of business but I'm wondering if the quality of the burners dropped off during those last days and I got some of them. Like I said earlier in the post, I've got three burners here, still in the bubble wrap, without threads cut into the bases! Now that's quality! And next, you can clearly see the pitting on this burner. This will eventually open up and leak raw fuel. And check out the ventilator holes in the cup, by my thumb! These are clearly burnt out to the point of being miss-shapened. Once again, this burner is only months old. Burning what they call Mineral Spirits here has taken it's toll on my outer caps. I've since started using questionable kerosine and am having better luck. I was going through caps at a rate of one every three months. Here's what it is all about, guys! Fresh caught Mutton Snapper! One of the best eating reef fish here. And my wife catches and cleans them as well. When it's all said and done, I'm a lucky man! Now to OleManColeman: The tank was supplied by Force Ten and is located quite close to the stove, other side of the bulkhead where the stove is mounted. The fuel line is attached to a hose barb welded into the floor of the locker and from there, through a fuel strainer, and then to the stove. The tank is pressurized using a tire pump that has a pressure gauge. Pressure is 15 to 20 PSI as recommended by the manufacturer. The tank is mounted a little higher than the stove and I have installed a shut-off valve to stop the fuel from siphoning from the tank during maintenance. And by the way: I'm in the Caribbean... we don't get fog here! The weather is beautiful! Hey geeves: No, my wife only uses one burner at a time (these days she has no choice... only one burner running presently), I'm not sure about roarer burners, having never tried one but I'd give anything a shot if I could find a supplier. I'm down to my last silent burner! I want to thank everyone for your support over the course of this sage. You've all been great! Again, a special thank you to BernieDawg for his help with these photos and the advice about sourcing used burners. But I am inclined to follow his advice and throw in the towel! I love kerosine but the affair is one sided! I guess a change of plans is in order and I plan now to return to civilization and convert to propane. YUCK! All best everyone... Bry
Hey Bry. Around here (Sweden) alcohol is not seldom used in marine stoves like yours. If you could get reasonably clean ethanol or methanol that might be worth a try. You would need to change jets. Maybe alcohol is burning at lower temps alleviating some of the bad effects of simmering on the caps? Last time I was in your neck of the woods I recall strong spirits (115 proof or more) being sold in every corner shop. I also recall the large jugs of Brugal but putting that in a stove seems a shame...
Bryan, thank you for sharing BD to the rescue again; enjoying his mastery with the petromax burner i just got back ferom him; thanks gary . thank you for sharing the photos; a small slice of paradise was just wondering about using Jet A?, has anyone tried using it?. many years ago when working offshore oil well services and drilling the purist/lightest kerosene was from a small refinery close to where we worked and sent to/for aviation but we also used it in our diesel vehicles they ran cleaner according to our boss......... just a thought that it might be easier to obtain Jet A....but personally have no experience in a stove although we did use it in our kerosene lamps....smelled a heck of a lot better than diesel cheers Lou
Jet A1 is aeroplane grade Kerosene (Paraffin; Kerosine). Very good quality! I use it in lamps and stoves whenever I can get my hands on some.
Tony; i was thinking so cause the heavy machinery we used didn't smoke and the pressure lamps didn't stink like they did with Diesel......+ all we had to do was drive the tanker truck to the refinery and load up wish I had a few thousand gallons Lou
