Kero Coil Burner Davleco Need Help

Got this today
A Daveleco Kero Coil Burner.

Too keen like a kid at Christmas to get her fired up.

Put some Kero in it.
Replaced Hard red fibre washer with a o ring.
Lit and with a bit of teasing with a very thin copper wire got it to work.


Burner going full blast



Pot on it



Close up.

Goes sort of SHHHHhhhhhh with a low level sort of furr furr furr sound?
Never used one before but read some threads on it.

Doesn't seem to be burning right.
Maybe coils are a bit low on heat??

Bit sooty!!!! smell like a wick lamp.

When it ran out of fuel there is a 'bit' left in the bottom.

Should it have a wick or some thing like that?

Haven't touched it yet.

It seems to me that it's burning too rich or the coils aren't close enough to completely ignite fuel vapors.

Any clues from the coil fettlers out there????

Any help or knowledge be great.

ie: need a windscreen like this or whatever.
Do this... its stuffed ....whatever.

Thanks heaps Fellas
Bruce

Got to love it!!!

 

Hi barrabruce

Great looking stove. Never seen one quite like that before.

The problems you are having with the burner - are you sure that kero is the correct fuel?
I have a number of Stesco-type coil burners. They all use petrol / Coleman Fuel.
They, like your stove, do not have a pump which is the usual requirement of a kerosene stove.
There again, yours does have a pressure-release screw which as far as I know is not found on petrol burners for safety reasons.



Maybe others will be able to help.

 

Hi, Bruce,

I agree with Trevor on this one. I've never seen a paraffin-burning coil burner, and all of mine have been made for use with Coleman fuel/petrol. Still, as Shag has pointed out, yours DOES have that pressure release vent on the side. ?????? Anyone ever see a stove like this? I've not. Neat stove, though, Bruce!!! Thanks for the great photos, too! Take care, and God Bless!

Every Good Wish,
Doc Mark

 

Hi again Bruce

If you do try lighting it using petrol / Coleman Fuel, then please make sure that you blow the flame out before releasing the pressure or you may also acquire a nickname like 'Inferno Man'.

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Hi,

Oops, I clicked on a wrong button.

I see the depression under the coil. Maybe it needs more priming? Did you try to add some meth, while the flame is yellow? IT may change it to blue.

The pressure release might lead us to think it is a petrol burner, but the coil burner's design precludes any intentional pressure release. When it releases pressure, it's supposed to be the next best thing to an instantaneous disassembly!

Then again, what do I know. Pressure release works with other kero stove, so...

 

Hi fellas just waiting for pills to kick in before I retire.

Tryed metho when flame was lit. Didn't do much more or less starved oxygen to flame.
This is Stamped on the bottom
Kerosene Stove Pat app 8852/46
I have tryd to find out about it but no luck as yet.

Think it could do with a good run though.
Probably be a bit shitty in there.
Selt of kero when I took it out of box.
Lucky postal service let it through for me I think.

Give it a few days
Some -one may have more ideas. but I never seen a petrol one burn either but pesume it should be a fatish blue flame anyway.

May be is a wick that needs attending to but I'll give it a few burn throughs and see if it settles in abit.
Thanks fellas good work.
1.20 am now and im fading.
ZZZZZzzzzzzzzz

 

Definitely a kero stove then.

There may be a problem with the wick(s).
If it was me, I would dismantle the stove and clean everything.
It looks as though you can take off the coil burner itself.
I would clean out the accumulated carbon from the coil. I have never tried this on a coil as all the ones I have can not be taken from the stove.

The following is advice from Bryan Miller. Granted, it is for a conventional burner head, but it should be able to be adapted for the coil. I have tried Bryan's method myself and found that it works very well. It is amazing to see the large amounts of hardened carbon which come out of the burner.

kaw550red

CLEANING THE INSIDE OF BURNERS

I am not certain whether I have posted this topic before and apologise if this is a repeat. Several people had asked me how to clean the inside of burners and I keep a copy of this to save rewriting it when asked for the information. I came across it and thought that it might be of help to other collectors. I have been using the method for about forty five years and have a success rate of about 95%. My failures have generally been where the burners have been pin holed so I have wasted my time clearing a blocked burner that had a leak as well.

EQUIPMENT Blow lamp, bucket or basin, thick wire or metal rod for suspending burner, garden hose and water supply.

LOCATION Always clean burners outside as a dropped hot burner could easily cause a fire

METHOD The burner has to be removed from the rising tube and spirit cup and the nipple removed. Fill bucket or basin with cold water. Bend wire or metal rod to a hook so the burner does not slip around on it. The wire will soften when red hot so needs to be thick enough to resist the softening or long enough that the burner can be suspended from directly above without your hands getting burnt. Light the blow lamp and mount the burner on the wire or metal rod. Move the burner into the blow lamp flame and heat until it glows a dull red. Watch the brazing which connects the parts together. If it turns to a bright brass colour immediately remove burner from the flame. The Swedish burners use high melting point brazing but I have come across burners which had low melting point brazing and this can soften. It turns to the bright brass colour when this happens. If it is glowing red you are all right. Keep the burner red hot for a few minutes (2 or 3). Drop it into the cold water with the openings facing away from you. Boiling water spurts out of the openings so you do not want to get in the way of it. In the boiling water you will see flecks of black stuff which is what is blocking your burner. The end of a plastic garden hose is the same size as the threaded bottom of a 1 pint burner. It will go on a 2 pint one but needs dipping in hot water to soften it first if the burner is a 2 pint one. Screw the hose on the bottom of the burner. Empty the bucket, put the burner in the bucket and turn the tap on. A roarer burner splashes water out of the sides so make sure the burner is well into the bucket. The water pressure will bring more flecks of black muck out and these will show in the bottom of the bucket. Repeat the cycle of heating, quenching and flushing until the water does not show any black flecks. Your burner should now be clear.

THEORY The deposits build up where air cannot get to it so it cannot burn off. Removing the nipple and rising tube allows air in so the deposits near the ends can burn when heated. Quenching the burner contracts the outside metal quicker than the deposits inside and the thermal shock cracks the bond between the two materials. Flushing it through removes the loose materials. The deposits are hard and can be thick so the repeated cycles should eventually remove the deposits. Flushing prevents any remaining loose deposits being pushed to the nipple and blocking it.

CAUTION IT IS VERY EASY TO FORGET THAT THE SUPPORTING ROD OR WIRE IS HOT AND ACCIDENTALLY PICK IT UP. THIS REALLY HURTS!!!

Regards Bryan

 

Hi .
I have a small piece of advice that may help with your coilburner problem , but first can i say your stove looks great !! (as you proabbly guessed i like coilburners )

When i had very very similar trouble with a coilburner of my own , a well respected member of the forum gave me some advice, though i never actually got to try it out.
I was told to take a blow torch and heat the coil , with a left to right motion NOT up and down (this could damage the part where the coil attaches to the tank) The stove will sputter up almost immediately - also, dont use an excessive heat - this could damage the joints between the coils and tank also. Every so often , take the blowtorch flame away , just to check if the flame is burning properly (nice, blue and not smoky). this should cause any dirt or impurities to be blasted out and burned off in the flame.
Though like i said i've never tried it (because my dad wont trust me with his blowlamp , being just a kid ) it seems logical and the guy who told me deffinitely knows what he's talking about. Just make sure the tank is fuelled up to prevent the powerful heat from the blowlamp scorching the wick (caused by the stove burning dry) !!!

I hope this helps , and hope that your fantistic stove gets up and running
Regards, Andrew

 

Don't know about kero ones, but if anything like the Taykit, then the gap between the coils need fine tuning - - yours appear a tad wide, the other thing with petrol CB's is that they have a chimney / wind shield - - seems to alter the mixture, is it possible yours should have one?
Looks a nice bit o' kit 8)

 

J C right my paper works say a thin dime

 

Your Australian mate, a roughian, you never lived by any rules, (don't tell the wife)!
Do like I would, put some white gas and give it a go. I don't see it blowing up. Hell, a Stesco burns white gas and don't explode and your little bit seems a lot better in all areas including safety.

All out abandon and blatant disregard have a place, just make sure the little Mrs's is away! If you could find it in you to send it here I'll do it, I was raised on white gas, come to think of it, I have razed a few spots with it too! My second favorite fuel behind BEER. Beers been getting ugly folks laid since it's inception.

Good luck my friend.

Evil

 

Tried mixing a bit of metho with the kero
Whhoooo yeah.
Think I should have mixed it abit firist though.
Burning better.
But gets spay of kero though it in droplets.
Too scard to use pressure relief at this stage think she could go fire ball on me. May clean ou abit of soot or something there.
May have to take her apart and have a look.
Have jobs to around here first though.
Will try the coin in the coils seems better than playing with the gap at this stage thats for sure.
ALL good stuff.
Would a sheild around the coils somehow help her abit. Thermo feed back??
Best I have a look at her and see how she's made I think.
If there is a wick it could have been burned when dry too. That'd have to make things play up a bit for sure.
Maybe some one took her apart and like didn't put a wick in her.
Thinking that it would slow up the fuel transport and help with vaopisation abit. Think that sound pretty right .
Want do you think fellas?

Thanks again.

 

If you want to liven up your paraffin, Bruce, don't add metho to it - they dont mix (oil/water). Add a little petrol, say 10%. If it says its a paraffin burner it sholuldn't need the fuel livening up. I thought you'd have had those two union nuts off by now to have a look at the wick.

 

Decided to try Shellite
Burns hard that's for sure.
Tried the coin in the coil trick it heat up to much and couldn't sustain a burn.
No way I gunna unscrew that releif valve though.

Tried metho just for kicks no hope of keeping flame lit same thing.
Cool down ans spurt metho and vaoprs every where.
But she would would reignite and in the end had a fire ball going.
Quick fix with the hose and no drammas.

Took her apart.
7/16" A.F spanner.
So bsw 3/8 or something I suppose.
May be British, US/ Aussie made.



There is a small wick made out of some thing looks like a round plated vanetian cord but small and white material.

I thinks she's been taken apart before. small scratch on upper olive joint on one side.
Will post photo when have time.

Assembly revealed that maybe the whole coils and threaded nuts are slightly bent in as if they have been forced. There is slight bowing on the tank where they go into it.
All in good nick still though. Can't see why they would do it in manufacturing.

Tried kero again after getting the tea finished for the dog on the 111T
looked so good I made another batch without dogs meat in for us so we'll all be eating the same tonight.


Tried the coin in the coils at different spots no good. But heated up better
Tried it on top Spread flames out but still yellow tips and stuff it didn't like it that much.

When I put the coin on top I discovered that the coils aren't even height as it didn't sit level.

Out with my asbestos fingers and closed the gap a bit by bit either side.
Needs more tuning.
But she's getting there.
Fuller bluer flame now sounding better, still a bit of yellow, but flame is fatter more better'er.

Will send pics.

May need a wind or flame tube thing will have a look around.

Still a bit sooty on pot obviously but this girl is turning into a boy.
She's getting some conjoonies in the heat out put that's for sure.

Catch you all soon.
Bruce

 

G'day Bruce,
I think what oops means is the coil gap is supposed to be the thickness of a US 10 cent piece, roughly 1.35 MM. Tighten up Mate
HTH

 

Sorry folks but I can't send a picture at this moment.
Placed with the gap of the coils closer like I was supposed to but couldn't get it to burn blue.
Had no Shellite so I tried it with fuel from the mower.

Think I'm turning into a pumpkin head. If not already.

Well it burns hot blue with yellow flecks probably from the carp in the fuel.

Boiled quick but with out pan blows itself out.
Mmmm I know what I'll do add about 50% kero ought out to cool if off a bit.

IT did but still couldn't maintain flame.
Blew itself out.

Will get some Shellite soon and hope fully get it run right.

Will post pictures from burns unit if things don't turn out right.

Coils too close now I think and too high octane.

So maybe the '46 on the patent number is 1946.

Don't know what country it was made in.

Maybe kerosene could have been a bit different then or were it is from.

Wants to go on kero but can't get it to turn blue just about half blue still with yellow tips and a bigger flame in middle like the Stesco add. Blue near burner and yellow up top.
Well it is a black and white drawing.

Maybe if you don't mind soot it'll do the job at this stage.

Post photos in a few days.
Maybe it is a kero job , but it would have to had a few other attachments like a burner plate somehow.

Any ideas???

If I finally manage to blow myself up.
It was nice knowing you's.

Don't want to wreck this gadget . Haven't seen one anywhere before so if some-one has heard of similar burners besides the Stesco Lil Injun things I would like to know.

Not saying it isn't like them there may be something I'm missing that's all.

 

Bruce,

I have the same problems with Taykit stoves when there is no wind shield. They will blow themselves out. The windshield should be about 3 MM from either flat side of the coil and I am believing your stove is for WG and not Kero. I personally have never seen a coil kero at least not without a pump.

Evil

 

Hello,

Evil is right about the Taykit. They seem to run for a bit then woosh out they go. You can make a windshield with a small juice can. Just cut some notches in the bottom so the air can be drawn through and up to feed the flame. That way you can surround the coil and control the airflow? Just a guess.

Also a little carburetor cleaner will sometimes clear out the blockage. I also have heard brake fluid will do the same thing but, I never tried using it.

Try the blow torch as heat will breakdown the clog and send it out of jet. If you look under the instructions for the Lil Injun Coil burner it says in the instructions to use kerosene or gasoline . I have just had better luck using white gas.

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Chuck

 

Too late she cried. Man over board
Made a windscreen last night.
Didn't help me much a bit though.

Had another look at the wick. One piece fell out when slightly tugged.
The other came out good so i thought anyway. about 1 1/2 long.
Made a wick and put up the tube.

Lit her up.
Not much flame lots of pressure.
Lucky I never got my angel wings.
Wick clogged tight in one tube.
Tried heating with pp torch.
Ducking in water.

Tried freeing the wick with metho in coil .Closing off nipple and good pipe.
Heating with pp torch. After a few times still no good.
Will pressurise and eventually let flumes/flame out.
Tried in vain to drill/poke/ prod/ hook wick out.
But don't worry I've got it straightened out now.
DON'T LOOK IF YOU ARE THE QUEESY TYPE.



20 thou wire up the spout.
Seem like the only way I may get it out / clear up the blockages to let her breath properly.
Anyway at least I can get a decent go at it now.
Any suggestions.
Wire hole size etc.
Thought with that and a wick up to the rest of it may do the trick.
Or would you suggest trying to get it all out somehow and make a couple of new ones.
They are made of non burning stuff.
If it was made in 46 then guess what that would be.
I think this is gunna be a long fix.

Does Base Camp have a replacement coil for it?. Maybe Ikea?


Doesn't this look like fun folks?
Does to me but I'm the twisted type. Hope it ain't rare and precious. Well it probably won't be after I'm though with it.
She how she goes.

 

No need for the wick to be incombustible; in normal operation it should not burn although it might char a little in way of the jet hole if you let the fuel run dry.